# Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 164 Community discussion, batch 164 (Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 22, 2026), 1,022 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated registration with prosecutors, criminal forfeiture, third-party standing and whether investors could challenge the underlying case. Some invoked United States v. Cronic (466 U.S. 648) to question the defense, while others discussed lawyers and a reported Second Circuit denial. They disputed or speculated about VOG, Maywind, Medical Supply and farm-loan funds, and recounted refund and recovery experiences. Discussion also touched on evidence, group trust and politics. Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context. English reading guide and paraphrases; Chinese source messages remain authoritative. ## Prosecutor Registration, Forfeiture and Recovery Participants discuss registration and argue about forfeiture proceedings. - kir***, Oct 18, 2026: kir*** asks whether may*** registered with prosecutors and says recovery awaits forfeiture proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qe35f5719d1192ae60a75) - kir***, Oct 18, 2026: kir*** asks why may*** does not seek the money from prosecutors. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbcdd836c70f4d5afbd25) - kir***, Oct 18, 2026: kir*** contends that third parties are handling the crucial proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd489f80e89ee2e4f1217) ## Third-Party Standing and Challenges to the Main Case Participants debate third-party evidence and challenges to the case. - beg***, Oct 18, 2026: beg*** sarcastically contrasts third-party submissions with Guo’s lawyers. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q42d0d192c7633f550e4d) - kir***, Oct 19, 2026: kir*** asks how a court could avoid considering reversal if third parties invoke Cronic. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q11f9a1f2fefec2fd497f) - kir***, Oct 19, 2026: kir*** argues that collapse of the main case would eliminate third-party proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q9d0446e7fbdd14f7153e) ## Effective Counsel: Cronic and Litigation Strategy Participants invoke Cronic to challenge the defense. - kir***, Oct 18, 2026: kir*** describes United States v. Cronic (466 U.S. 648) and argues its standard concerns a complete failure of adversarial testing. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf2bee64780ffdacf4cef) - kir***, Oct 18, 2026: kir*** contends that Cronic already applies. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q6706cbca4b66949bcf55) - ntp***, Oct 18, 2026: ntp*** alleges ineffective trial counsel and criticizes the judge and successor counsel. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qf9cd797497caf45d469c) ## Reconsideration Materials and the Second Circuit Participants discuss submissions and a reported denial. - beg***, Oct 18, 2026: beg*** says farm loans and Maywind are next. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa399f0c4fa147a6cae72) - ntp***, Oct 18, 2026: ntp*** asks whether only reconsideration motions cannot include attachments. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q8c58a52ca986f748c362) - beg***, Oct 20, 2026: beg*** describes a Second Circuit denial but says they did not understand it. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q090571e9b9b19014ad0e) ## VOG’s Omission and the Amount at Issue joh*** offers explanations and discusses forfeiture records. - joh***, Oct 18, 2026: joh*** suggests VOG was omitted because it was settling and refunding money. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q196b18519c08917e36cb) - joh***, Oct 18, 2026: joh*** speculates that Wei’s non-prosecution agreement covered VOG. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0a656dcdb636a12c59e5) - joh***, Oct 19, 2026: joh*** says VOG was absent from Wang’s $1.4 billion forfeiture list. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q04660ef2129e17bb7ac4) ## Maywind, Farm Loans and Medical Supply Participants discuss company relationships and disputed fund flows. - reb***, Oct 18, 2026: reb*** recalls believing Mulan established Medical Supply in the alliance’s name. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q64fd5433f81e0cfe15b3) - beg***, Oct 18, 2026: beg*** contends farm loans featured in the indictment and sentencing but says their whereabouts are unknown. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q91a4a51b67f17b7adc85) - joh***, Oct 21, 2026: joh*** alleges Maywind retained and refunded at least $4.55 million in loans omitted from a prosecution flowchart. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qb1112de9f4c1550207fc) ## Fair Fund Refunds, Authorization and Recovery Participants recount refund and representation experiences and dispute responsibilities. - tia***, Oct 18, 2026: tia*** recalls sending money to Wei, applying for a refund and receiving a Fair Fund HID. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q40175e86a9531fbc968c) - tia***, Oct 18, 2026: tia*** recalls appointing Zhang Yongbing and later canceling by phone. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd8b92d7c39a8bb86c576) - joh***, Oct 18, 2026: joh*** argues Zhang should disclose his role and relinquish refund authority. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q2242dd251f621d6a6bad) ## Civil and Criminal Proceedings and Investor Claims Participants compare routes for asserting claims. - joh***, Oct 18, 2026: joh*** advocates submitting contracts as evidence in a self-filed action. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qa6c998f9dcf01663921f) - spr***, Oct 18, 2026: spr*** asks whether civil proceedings could recover investments faster than criminal proceedings. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qd021e04da9214765fc23) - reb***, Oct 19, 2026: reb*** argues investors must go to court to recover money. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q44e549d84749835bb546) ## Reversal and Disagreements Within the Group Participants express views about reversal and political identity. - ntp***, Oct 20, 2026: ntp*** fears lasting ridicule if Guo’s case is not overturned. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q1eb419f3c274722501a8) - kir***, Oct 20, 2026: kir*** calls reversal the only measure. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q70d99dbee2b5be6177d7) - kir***, Oct 20, 2026: kir*** criticizes someone for equating a figure with opposition to communism. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q43c15319d6ca09f64d9f) ## Evidence and Responsibility for Funds Participants question testimony and dispute responsibility for losses. - beg***, Oct 21, 2026: beg*** alleges that Nine Fingers gave false testimony. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qc5e48c1e3df35a80b5c9) - beg***, Oct 21, 2026: beg*** asks which document contains testimony about transfers to ACA Capital. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q523c8c256c78ad14d138) - reb***, Oct 21, 2026: reb*** disputes victim classifications and attribution of farm losses to Guo. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q576e3aa48dfc8a17eba9) ## US Politics and the Midterms kir*** mentions the election and expresses political views. - kir***, Oct 19, 2026: kir*** mentions the midterm elections. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q672ef53ddc9529e91f40) - kir***, Oct 19, 2026: kir*** says they will vote Republican without deliberation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/q0c3f9b220cad2125ae4b) - kir***, Oct 22, 2026: kir*** alleges that fraudsters brought the Communist Party to court and predicts retaliation. [Chinese original](https://mubeitech.com/discussions/messages/qbd93d84ba55ed6fe5a38)