Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 165
Community discussion, batch 165 (Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 29, 2026), 1,037 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants discuss disputed accounts of VOG, Maywind and farm lending funds, including transfers, frozen assets, refunds and investor representation. They question victim identification and distinguish a money judgment from property actually controlled by the government. They also debate procedural requirements under 853(n), CVRA and Rule 32, and the prospects for overturning decisions. Other discussions concern GETTR ownership, alleged disclosure of investor information, prosecutorial discretion and possible political influence; ECF 716-4 and ruling 858 are referenced.
Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.
Machine-generated English reading guide and paraphrases. Follow the Chinese source links to check each statement; paraphrases are not direct quotations.
VOG and Maywind funds, freezes and refunds
3 cited messages · Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 27, 2026
Participants dispute where funds went and which investors can seek refunds.
joh*** estimates that only $10 million of VOG funds was effectively frozen after transfers and a $46 million check.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 22, 2026joh*** contends that investors awaiting refunds through VOG or Sara could pursue Wei.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 27, 2026joh*** argues that $46 million remained on VOG's books for civil refunds after a $64 million transfer, but refunds were delayed.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 27, 2026
Lending funds, the $46 million check and farm loans
3 cited messages · Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 23, 2026
A participant questions amounts and the treatment of farm lending funds.
beg*** questions whether a reported $89 million transfer accounted for all farm loan funds.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 22, 2026beg*** asks for the source of the $117 million figure.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 22, 2026beg*** asks why farm loan funds were not seized if prosecutors considered the enterprise a criminal organization.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 23, 2026
Civil litigation, investor representation and recovery
3 cited messages · Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 23, 2026
A participant challenges representation and discusses limits on recovery.
joh*** alleges withheld Maywind loan funds and contends that $4 million entrusted by other investors was excluded from refunds.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 22, 2026joh*** disputes Long Island's eligibility to represent farm loan investors and alleges inadequate disclosure.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 23, 2026joh*** describes him***'s view that private claimants can pursue distribution under 853(n) but cannot challenge funds prosecutors did not seize.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 23, 2026
Money judgments, frozen assets and third-party interests
3 cited messages · Oct 23, 2026 – Oct 23, 2026
Participants distinguish the judgment from forfeited property and third-party claims.
kir*** asks whether the $889 million includes Mahwah and a settlement with Luc exceeding $100 million.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 23, 2026kir*** says the property is included in forfeiture but is unsure whether it is included in the money judgment.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 23, 2026reb*** argues that the $889 million judgment differs from assets actually controlled by the government and disputes the treatment of third-party interests under 858.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 23, 2026
Victim identification, losses and Fair Fund refunds
3 cited messages · Oct 22, 2026 – Oct 29, 2026
Participants question victim statements, appeal prospects and refund accounting.
joh*** questions the authenticity of victim statements in Wang's case and alleges misuse of investor details.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 22, 2026sar*** predicts that the Second Circuit will hear private claimants but ultimately reject their claims.
Chinese original · sar*** · Oct 29, 2026joh*** asks whether GTV Fair Fund refunds should be deducted from the $1.4 billion involved.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 29, 2026
Procedure under 853(n), CVRA and Rule 32
3 cited messages · Oct 28, 2026 – Oct 28, 2026
Participants debate procedural requirements and their order.
beg*** contends that ruling 858 cites inapplicable cases.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 28, 2026joh*** argues that more than 200 petitions must be docketed if the judge rules under 853(n).
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 28, 2026kir*** argues that Rule 32 must be followed regardless of procedural order.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 28, 2026
Second Circuit filings, third-party motions and reversal
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2026 – Oct 26, 2026
Participants interpret filings and ask about motions.
sar*** describes an attachment criticizing Judge Torres for alleged unfairness.
Chinese original · sar*** · Oct 25, 2026kir*** contends that the Second Circuit mentioned a participant to support overturning the case.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 26, 2026kir*** asks how many people filed motions to vacate and how many sought dismissal.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 25, 2026
AAA and Nivora disclosure proceedings and GETTR ownership
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2026 – Oct 25, 2026
A participant describes court proceedings and assesses ownership evidence.
roy*** describes 2026 ONSC 2943 and 2026 ONSC 5735, case 420/26 ML, as rejecting special disclosure and leave to appeal without deciding the underlying claims.
Chinese original · roy*** · Oct 25, 2026roy*** argues that available evidence supports continued operation by GETTR USA, Inc. and does not establish a transfer to a new company.
Chinese original · roy*** · Oct 25, 2026roy*** cites ECF 716-4 as evidence that Hamilton held 95% of GETTR while cautioning that it does not establish ultimate control.
Chinese original · roy*** · Oct 25, 2026
Platform operations, GETTR coin data and G Fashion
3 cited messages · Oct 25, 2026 – Oct 26, 2026
Participants question platform transactions and G Fashion's treatment.
reb*** alleges that earlier GETTR coin data was deleted and funds were transferred again.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 25, 2026joh*** asks whether Hamilton's ownership explains GETTR's continued operation despite some funds being taken.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 26, 2026joh*** alleges that G Fashion changed its name after receiving loan funds and questions its absence from charges and the forfeiture list.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 25, 2026
Alleged disclosure of investor information
3 cited messages · Oct 28, 2026 – Oct 29, 2026
Participants question the evidence for an alleged leak.
sar*** asks whether a statement admitted that investor information was given to the Chinese government.
Chinese original · sar*** · Oct 28, 2026kir*** says there was no direct admission but recounts an allegation attributed to a state security officer.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 28, 2026beg*** alleges widespread disclosure of investor information and suggests arguing its materiality under 858.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 29, 2026
Prosecution, forfeiture discretion and politics
3 cited messages · Oct 27, 2026 – Oct 28, 2026
Participants discuss alleged interference, forfeiture discretion and elections.
kir*** alleges that alliance farms interfered with judicial proceedings.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 27, 2026beg*** describes 858 as saying the government can decide which assets to forfeit.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 27, 2026ntp*** speculates that people are waiting for the midterm elections.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 28, 2026