Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok): community discussion 164
Community discussion, batch 164 (Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 22, 2026), 1,022 messages, on the Guo Wengui / Miles Guo (Ho Wan Kwok) case. Participants debated registration with prosecutors, criminal forfeiture, third-party standing and whether investors could challenge the underlying case. Some invoked United States v. Cronic (466 U.S. 648) to question the defense, while others discussed lawyers and a reported Second Circuit denial. They disputed or speculated about VOG, Maywind, Medical Supply and farm-loan funds, and recounted refund and recovery experiences. Discussion also touched on evidence, group trust and politics.
Firsthand participant accounts and investment experiences, preserved with dates, sources and reply context.
Machine-generated English reading guide and paraphrases. Follow the Chinese source links to check each statement; paraphrases are not direct quotations.
Prosecutor Registration, Forfeiture and Recovery
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 18, 2026
Participants discuss registration and argue about forfeiture proceedings.
kir*** asks whether may*** registered with prosecutors and says recovery awaits forfeiture proceedings.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 18, 2026kir*** asks why may*** does not seek the money from prosecutors.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 18, 2026kir*** contends that third parties are handling the crucial proceedings.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 18, 2026
Third-Party Standing and Challenges to the Main Case
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 19, 2026
Participants debate third-party evidence and challenges to the case.
beg*** sarcastically contrasts third-party submissions with Guo’s lawyers.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 18, 2026kir*** asks how a court could avoid considering reversal if third parties invoke Cronic.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 19, 2026kir*** argues that collapse of the main case would eliminate third-party proceedings.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 19, 2026
Effective Counsel: Cronic and Litigation Strategy
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 18, 2026
Participants invoke Cronic to challenge the defense.
kir*** describes United States v. Cronic (466 U.S. 648) and argues its standard concerns a complete failure of adversarial testing.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 18, 2026kir*** contends that Cronic already applies.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 18, 2026ntp*** alleges ineffective trial counsel and criticizes the judge and successor counsel.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 18, 2026
Reconsideration Materials and the Second Circuit
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 20, 2026
Participants discuss submissions and a reported denial.
beg*** says farm loans and Maywind are next.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 18, 2026ntp*** asks whether only reconsideration motions cannot include attachments.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 18, 2026beg*** describes a Second Circuit denial but says they did not understand it.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 20, 2026
VOG’s Omission and the Amount at Issue
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 19, 2026
joh*** offers explanations and discusses forfeiture records.
joh*** suggests VOG was omitted because it was settling and refunding money.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 18, 2026joh*** speculates that Wei’s non-prosecution agreement covered VOG.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 18, 2026joh*** says VOG was absent from Wang’s $1.4 billion forfeiture list.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 19, 2026
Maywind, Farm Loans and Medical Supply
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 21, 2026
Participants discuss company relationships and disputed fund flows.
reb*** recalls believing Mulan established Medical Supply in the alliance’s name.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 18, 2026beg*** contends farm loans featured in the indictment and sentencing but says their whereabouts are unknown.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 18, 2026joh*** alleges Maywind retained and refunded at least $4.55 million in loans omitted from a prosecution flowchart.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 21, 2026
Fair Fund Refunds, Authorization and Recovery
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 18, 2026
Participants recount refund and representation experiences and dispute responsibilities.
tia*** recalls sending money to Wei, applying for a refund and receiving a Fair Fund HID.
Chinese original · tia*** · Oct 18, 2026tia*** recalls appointing Zhang Yongbing and later canceling by phone.
Chinese original · tia*** · Oct 18, 2026joh*** argues Zhang should disclose his role and relinquish refund authority.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 18, 2026
Civil and Criminal Proceedings and Investor Claims
3 cited messages · Oct 18, 2026 – Oct 19, 2026
Participants compare routes for asserting claims.
joh*** advocates submitting contracts as evidence in a self-filed action.
Chinese original · joh*** · Oct 18, 2026spr*** asks whether civil proceedings could recover investments faster than criminal proceedings.
Chinese original · spr*** · Oct 18, 2026reb*** argues investors must go to court to recover money.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 19, 2026
Reversal and Disagreements Within the Group
3 cited messages · Oct 20, 2026 – Oct 20, 2026
Participants express views about reversal and political identity.
ntp*** fears lasting ridicule if Guo’s case is not overturned.
Chinese original · ntp*** · Oct 20, 2026kir*** calls reversal the only measure.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 20, 2026kir*** criticizes someone for equating a figure with opposition to communism.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 20, 2026
Evidence and Responsibility for Funds
3 cited messages · Oct 21, 2026 – Oct 21, 2026
Participants question testimony and dispute responsibility for losses.
beg*** alleges that Nine Fingers gave false testimony.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 21, 2026beg*** asks which document contains testimony about transfers to ACA Capital.
Chinese original · beg*** · Oct 21, 2026reb*** disputes victim classifications and attribution of farm losses to Guo.
Chinese original · reb*** · Oct 21, 2026
US Politics and the Midterms
3 cited messages · Oct 19, 2026 – Oct 22, 2026
kir*** mentions the election and expresses political views.
kir*** mentions the midterm elections.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 19, 2026kir*** says they will vote Republican without deliberation.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 19, 2026kir*** alleges that fraudsters brought the Communist Party to court and predicts retaliation.
Chinese original · kir*** · Oct 22, 2026