Guo Wengui / Miles Guo — bankruptcy case · EXHIBIT · ECF #1604-23

METADATA

Defendant
Guo Wengui / Miles Guo / Ho Wan Kwok
Court
CTB
Case No.
22-50073
ECF #
1604
Type
EXHIBIT
Filed
2023-03-27

FULL TEXT

Exhibit 23
DANIEL PODHASKIE December 11, 2019

Original File 293035B.txt Min-U-Script® with Word Index Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 3 of 140 **1 SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK 2 COUNTY OF NEW YORK -----------------------------------------X 3 PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P., 4 Plaintiff, 5 - against - 6 KWOK HO WAN, a/k/a KWOK HO, a/k/a GWO 7 WEN GUI, a/k/a GUO WENGUI, a/k/a GUO WEN-GUI, a/k/a WAN GUE HAOYUN, a/k/a 8 MILES KWOK, a/k/a HAOYUN GUO, 9 Defendant. 10 Index No.: 652077/2017 -----------------------------------------X 11 12 605 Third Avenue New York, New York 13 December 11, 2019 14 2:56 p.m. 15 16 VIDEOTAPED EXAMINATION BEFORE TRIAL 17 of DANIEL PODHASKIE, before Melissa Gilmore, a 18 Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the 19 State of New York. 20 21 22 23 ELLEN GRAUER COURT REPORTING CO., LLC 126 East 56th Street, Fifth Floor 24 New York, New York 10022 212-750-6434 25 REF: 293035B**

1 A P P E A R A N C E S:

3 O'MELVENY & MYERS LLP 4 Attorneys for Plaintiff 5 7 Times Square 6 New York, New York 10036

7 BY: EDWARD MOSS, ESQ. 8 STUART SARNOFF, ESQ. 9 ELI A. GROSSMAN, ESQ.

10 PHONE 212-728-5651 11 E-MAIL emoss@omm.com 12 ssarnoff@omm.com 13 egrossman@omm.com
16 HODGSON RUSS LLP 17 Attorneys for Defendant 18 605 Third Avenue, Suite 2300 19 New York, New York 10158

20 BY: JILLIAN MARIE SEARLES, ESQ.

21 PHONE 646-218-7591 22 E-MAIL jsearles@hodgsonruss.com

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S: (Cont'd) 3 LAWALL & MITCHELL, LLC 4 Attorneys for the Genever Entities 5 55 Madison Avenue 6 Morristown, New Jersey 07960

7 BY: AARON A. MITCHELL, ESQ.

8 PHONE 914-760-8963 9 E-MAIL aaron@lmesq.com

12 ALSO PRESENT:

13 YVETTE WANG, Genever 14 DAN MACOM, Videographer

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1 ------------------- I N D E X -------------------

2 WITNESS EXAMINATION BY PAGE 3 DANIEL PODHASKIE MR. MOSS 8 4 MR. MITCHELL 119
6 DIRECTIONS: PAGE 91, 93

9 ---------------- E X H I B I T S ---------------- 10 PODHASKIE DESCRIPTION FOR I.D. 11 Exhibit 1 Corporate representative 9

12 notice for the deposition 13 of Genever New York

14 Exhibit 2 Notice for the deposition 9

15 of Genever BVI

16 Exhibit 3 Collection of corporate 20

17 documents, Bates Stamped 18 KWOK143 through 194 19 Exhibit 4 Certificate of 55 20 Registration of Charge

21 Exhibit 5 Notice of Satisfaction or 56

22 Release of Registered 23 Charge Pursuant to 24 Section 165

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1 ------------ E X H I B I T S (Cont'd) -----------

2 PODHASKIE DESCRIPTION

FOR I.D.

3 Exhibit 6 Defendant's Memorandum of
4 Law in Opposition to 5 Plaintiff's Motion for an 6 Order of Pre-Judgment 7 Attachment 8 Exhibit 7 Certificate of
9 Registration of Charge 10 Exhibit 8 Notice of Satisfaction or
11 Release of Registered 12 Charge 13 Exhibit 9 Declaration of Trust and
14 Agreement 15 Exhibit 10 Letter from Stevenson
16 Wong dated March 4, 2015
19 (EXHIBITS TO BE PRODUCED)

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1 STIPULATIONS
3 IT IS HEREBY STIPULATED AND

4 AGREED by and between the attorneys for the 5 respective parties herein that the sealing, 6 and filing be, and the same are hereby 7 waived.

8 IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND

9 AGREED that all objections, except as to the 10 form of the question, shall be reserved to 11 the time of the trial.

12 IT IS FURTHER STIPULATED AND

13 AGREED that the within deposition may be 14 sworn to and signed before any officer 15 authorized to administer an oath, with the 16 same force and effect as if signed to before 17 the court.

19 - oOo -

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3 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

This is the

4 videotaped deposition of Mr. Daniel T. 5 Podhaskie, taken by the plaintiff in the

6 matter of Pacific Alliance Asia

7 Opportunity Fund L.P. versus Wan, et al., 8 in the Supreme Court of the State of New 9 York in the County of New York.

The Index

10 Number is 652077/2017.

11 This deposition is being held at the

12 offices of Hodgson Russ, and today's date 13 is December 11, 2019. 14 My name is Dan Macom.

I'm from 15 Ellen Grauer, a U.S. Legal Support

16 Company.

17 Our court reporter today is 18 Ms. Melissa Gilmore, also from Ellen

19 Grauer, a U.S. Legal Support Company.

20 All counsel here today, their

21 appearances will appear on the written 22 record.

23 I will ask at this time that our 24 court reporter please swear in the

25 witness. Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 10 of 140 **1 D A N I E L P O D H A S K I E, called as 2 a witness, having been sworn by a Notary 3 Public, was examined and testified as 4 follows: 5 6 EXAMINATION BY 7 MR. MOSS: 8 Q. Mr. Podhaskie, you are here as a 9 corporate representative for two entities; is 10 that correct? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. And one of those entities is Genever 13 Holdings, LLC, right? 14 A. Correct. 15 Q. And I'm going to refer to that 16 entity today as Genever New York. Is that 17 okay? 18 A. That's fine. 19 Q. Will you understand what I mean when 20 I say Genever New York that I'm referring to 21 Genever Holdings, LLC? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. And the other entity you are here on 24 behalf of is Genever Holdings Corporation BVI; 25 is that correct?** Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 11 of 140

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2 A. Yes. 3 Q.

And I'm going to refer to that

4 entity as Genever BVI. Is that okay? 5 A. That's fine. 6 Q.

And you'll understand that when I'm

7 talking about Genever BVI, I mean Genever 8 Holdings Corporation? 9 A. I do. 10 Q. Thank you.

11 I assume there is no reason why you

12 can't give truthful and accurate testimony here 13 today? 14 A. No.

15 (Podhaskie Exhibit 1, Corporate

16 representative notice for the deposition

17 of Genever New York, marked for 18 identification.) 19 (Podhaskie Exhibit 2, Notice for the

20 deposition of Genever BVI, marked for

21 identification.)

22 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

We are on the

23 record. The time is 2:59 p.m. 24 Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, I have handed you

25 what we have marked as Podhaskie 1 and

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2 Podhaskie 2.

Number 1 is the corporate

3 representative notice for the deposition of 4 Genever New York, and Exhibit 2 is the notice 5 for the deposition of Genever BVI.

Is that --

6 is that correct? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A.

(Document review.) Exhibit 1 is a

10 deposition notice to Genever New York and 11 Exhibit 2 is a deposition notice to Genever 12 BVI, as you previously defined them. 13 Q. Great. Thank you.

14 Now, if you can take a look, please,

15 we can start with Exhibit 1.

Please take a

16 look at the last page of that exhibit.

17 And do you see that there are five

18 deposition topics? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q.

Are you prepared to testify on those

21 five topics today? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q.

And if you can please take a look at

24 Exhibit 2, at the last page of that exhibit, do 25 you see that there are five deposition topics

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2 on that page? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q.

Are you prepared to testify on those

5 five deposition topics today? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

What did you do to prepare to

8 testify on behalf of Genever New York and 9 Genever BVI on these topics that we just 10 covered? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 You can answer. 14 A.

I reviewed each one of these

15 deposition notices and the topics that were 16 designated.

I reviewed the corporate records

17 for Genever New York and for Genever BVI.

I

18 spoke with Miles Kwok.

I spoke with Guo Qiang

19 and I spoke with Yvette Wang. 20 MR. MITCHELL:

Maybe, just to go on 21 the record here, just because 22 Mr. Podhaskie is an attorney, I'm 23 certainly going to allow you to ask 24 questions regarding the 30(b)(6)

25 discussions he had with those individuals,

Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 14 of 140 **1 PODHASKIE 2 but anything outside of that, I'm going to 3 assert privilege. 4 MR. MOSS: Sure. Understood. 5 That's helpful. 6 BY MR. MOSS: 7 Q. So let's start with Mr. Kwok. What 8 did you discuss with Mr. Kwok in connection 9 with preparing for your testimony here today as 10 a corporate representative? 11 A. I asked him if he would have any 12 knowledge about the topics that are listed on 13 the notice of deposition. 14 Q. And what did he say? 15 A. He indicated he would not know. 16 Q. Anything else about your 17 conversation with Mr. Kwok as it relates to 18 your preparation for your corporate 19 representative topics today? 20 A. Did I discuss anything else with him 21 about this, the preparation? Other than that, 22 no. 23 Q. Who is Guo Qiang? 24 A. He is Mr. Kwok's son. 25 Q. And did you speak with Mr. Qiang by** Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 15 of 140

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2 phone, in person? How did you communicate? 3 MR. MITCHELL:

Just for

4 clarification, his first name is Qiang. 5 MR. MOSS: Sorry. 6 Q. Mr. Guo. Let me try it again.

7 When you speak with Mr. Kwok's son,

8 how did you communicate with him? 9 A. By telephone. 10 Q. Who called who? 11 A.

I was with Yvette Wang at the time

12 and she called Guo Qiang. 13 Q.

And where was Guo Qiang located when

14 you spoke with him? 15 A. I believe he was in England. 16 Q. And what did the two of you discuss? 17 A.

We discussed the deposition topics

18 that were noticed and the corporate formalities 19 of both Genever New York and Genever BVI. 20 Q.

Do you remember anything he told

21 you? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q.

Can you just tell me your best

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2 corporate representative testimony? 3 A. How much time do I have? 4 Q. As much as you need. 5 A.

Well, we went through each of the

6 topics one by one.

We discussed the formation

7 and business purpose of both Genever BVI and 8 Genever New York.

We discussed the corporate

9 and ownership structure of both Genever BVI and 10 Genever New York.

We discussed the personnel

11 management and organization structure of both 12 Genever BVI and Genever New York.

We discussed

13 Genever BVI's relationship to Mr. Kwok and 14 Genever New York.

And we discussed the assets

15 that are currently held by both Genever BVI and 16 Genever New York. 17 Q. Anything else you remember? 18 A.

I think we briefly discussed the 19 purchase of the residence at The

20 Sherry-Netherland Hotel in New York. 21 Q.

And do you recall anything about

22 that discussion? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Can you tell me what you remember? 25 A.

Anything specific that you're

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2 looking for? 3 Q. You said it was a brief discussion. 4 Just anything you remember about that brief 5 discussion. 6 A.

He told me that they were looking to

7 buy a residence at -- you know, somewhere in 8 New York, and that he had attended the meetings 9 with The Sherry-Netherland with his father, you 10 know, he attended a lot of the meetings, spoke 11 with the president of the -- or the vice 12 president, I'm not sure of the title, of The 13 Sherry-Netherland.

14 He had signed some application forms

15 to purchase the residence on behalf of Genever 16 New York and I think that's about it. 17 Q.

When you say they were looking to

18 buy residences, who is the "they" you're 19 referring to? 20 A. The Guo family. 21 Q.

And is that Mr. Kwok and his son or

22 is that something broader than that? 23 A.

In particular, it was Guo Qiang,

24 Mr. Kwok's son. 25 Q.

When was the conversation you had

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2 with Guo Qiang? 3 A.

I believe this past Monday,

4 December 9. 5 Q.

You said you also spoke with

6 Ms. Yvette Wang to prepare for your testimony; 7 is that correct? 8 A.

She was present when I had the

9 conversation with Guo Qiang. 10 Q.

Did you have any conversations with

11 her other than her being present for the 12 conversation with Guo Qiang? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.

In connection with preparation for

15 this deposition? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q.

And can you tell me what the two of

18 you discussed, please? 19 A.

I think we discussed the address for

20 Genever and who maintains -- whether it has an 21 office here in New York, Genever New York, that 22 is, and the same for Genever BVI. 23 Q. Anything else? 24 A. No. I think that's it. 25 Q.

What is Ms. Wang's role with Genever

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2 New York? 3 A. I don't know. 4 Q. What is Ms. Wang's role with Genever 5 BVI? 6 A. I don't know.

7 Q. Well, you're prepared to testify

8 about the personnel of Genever New York, right, 9 that's topic 3, in Exhibit 1; is that right? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Are you prepared to testify on that? 12 A. I am.

13 Q. You didn't ask Ms. Wang what her

14 role was with Genever New York? 15 A. I think you're assuming she has a 16 role with Genever New York. 17 Q. Did you ask her whether she has a 18 role with Genever New York? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And what did she tell you?

21 A. She has no official role with

22 Genever New York.

23 Q. Does she have an unofficial role

24 with Genever New York? 25 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

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2 the question. 3 You can answer. 4 A.

What do you mean by "unofficial

5 role"? 6 Q.

Well, you testified that you didn't

7 know whether she had a role with Genever New 8 York. Is that -- is that your testimony? 9 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

10 the question. 11 A. If that's what the record reflects. 12 Q.

I asked you, what is Ms. Wang's role

13 with Genever New York, and you answered, I 14 don't know. 15 Do you recall that testimony? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Is that accurate? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Okay.

Do you know whether she has

20 any role, official or unofficial, with Genever 21 New York?

And by "her," I'm referring to

22 Yvette Wang. 23 A. I don't know. 24 Q.

Did you ask her whether she had a

25 role with Genever New York?

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2 A. What do you mean by "role"?

Can you

3 be more specific? 4 Q.

I asked you what Ms. Wang told you

5 and you answered she has no official role with 6 Genever New York.

7 What did you mean by the word

8 "role"? 9 A.

She is not employed by Genever New

10 York. 11 Q.

Does she have any duties,

12 responsibility in connection with, affiliation 13 with Genever New York? 14 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

15 the question. 16 A. I don't know. 17 Q. You didn't ask her? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Let's -- let's focus on Genever BVI.

20 Mr. Podhaskie, I'm going to hand you

21 a collection of corporate documents that were 22 produced to us in this case by -- by one of the 23 Genever entities, I'm not sure which one, but 24 they have Kwok Bates stamps on them, and I'm 25 going to look at -- I'm going to direct your

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2 attention to various documents within here.

If

3 there are other documents you feel you need to 4 look at to answer questions or you want to flip 5 through this, you're more than welcome to.

6 (Podhaskie Exhibit 3, Collection of

7 corporate documents, Bates Stamped KWOK143 8 through 194, marked for identification.) 9 MR. MITCHELL:

Are you marking this

10 as Podhaskie 3? 11 MR. MOSS:

I'm marking this together

12 as 3, yes. 13 Q.

So Mr. Podhaskie, Exhibit 3, as I

14 mentioned, is a compilation of documents.

They

15 are in sequential Bates order, and they are 16 KWOK143 through KWOK194.

And they are various

17 corporate documents with respect to the two 18 Genever entities.

19 So I would like to direct your

20 attention to page -- the Bates page 176.

This

21 is entitled "Authorization to Date Director's 22 Resolution," and it's Bates stamped KWOK176. 23 Can you identify this document? 24 A.

(Document review.) It is entitled

25 "Authorization to Date Director's Resolution,"

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2 and it appears to be dated effective the 12th 3 day of February, 2015. 4 Q.

And it relates to the Genever BVI

5 entity? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

And is this a true and correct copy

8 of this Authorization to Date Director's 9 Resolution, as far as you can tell? 10 A.

Based on the documents that I

11 reviewed in preparation for today, it would 12 appear to be true and accurate. 13 Q.

And is that -- that signature at the

14 bottom, is that Mr. Kwok's signature? 15 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

16 the question. 17 A. I don't know. 18 Q.

Kwok Ho Wan, do you see underneath 19 the signature line, it has the words

20 typewritten "Kwok Ho Wan"? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Is that Miles Kwok? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q.

Do you have any reason to believe

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2 A. No. 3 Q. And it says here, "The undersigned 4 is forming a corporation under the laws of the 5 British Virgin Islands, such corporation to be 6 known as Genever Holdings Corporation, the

7 company."

8 Did I read that correctly? 9 A. You're reading from the beginning of 10 the first paragraph? 11 Q. Yes, the first sentence.

12 A. (Document review.)

Yes. 13 Q. And the undersigned is Mr. Kwok; is 14 that right? 15 A. Correct. Correct.

16 Q. Mr. Kwok formed Genever Holdings

17 Corporation, correct? 18 A. That's what this document reflects.

19 Q. And you don't have any reason to

20 believe this document that was produced from 21 Mr. Kwok's or Genever's files is inaccurate, do 22 you? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Take a look, please, Mr. Podhaskie, 25 at page KWOK145.

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2 Can you identify this document which

3 is -- the title of it is "Territory of the 4 British Virgin Island Acts, BVI Companies Act 5 2004, Certificate of Incorporation, Section 7

6 for Genever Holdings Corporation."

7 Can you identify this? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question. 10 A. Yes.

This appears to be a copy of

11 the certificate of incorporation for Genever 12 BVI. 13 Q.

Do you have any reason to believe

14 that this document is not authentic and 15 accurate? 16 A.

Based on the documents that I

17 reviewed in preparation for today, this appears 18 to be an accurate copy. 19 Q.

And is it correct that Genever BVI

20 was incorporated in the BVI on February 13, 21 2015? 22 A. Yes, I believe that's correct. 23 Q.

Who besides Mr. Kwok was involved in

24 forming Genever BVI? 25 A. Guo Qiang.

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2 Q. That's Mr. Kwok's son? 3 A. Correct. 4 Q. Anybody else? 5 A. Not that I'm aware of. 6 Q. Why was Genever BVI formed? 7 A.

Initially, it was formed to own a

8 US-based company that was going to purchase 9 real estate. 10 Q.

And was the US-based company Genever

11 New York? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q.

And was the real estate the

14 apartment at The Sherry-Netherland Hotel? 15 A.

That ultimately ended up being the

16 real estate that Genever purchased. 17 Q.

So is it your testimony that, at the

18 time, there was the thought to buy some real 19 estate in the United States, but they just 20 didn't know exactly what that real estate was 21 going to be? 22 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

23 the question. 24 You can answer. 25 A.

They wanted to invest in real estate

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2 in the United States, and they didn't know 3 which asset they were going to purchase or 4 where they were going to purchase. 5 Q.

Was the plan at the time of

6 formation to buy one -- you said which asset 7 they were going to purchase.

8 Was the plan at the time of

9 formation to purchase one asset or several 10 assets? 11 A. I don't know what the plan was.

I

12 know they had looked at several different

13 properties and ultimately chose The

14 Sherry-Netherland. 15 Q.

Has the purpose of Genever BVI

16 changed since the purpose at its formation? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 You can answer. 20 A. No. 21 Q.

No purposes have been added or

22 subtracted? 23 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

24 the question. 25 A.

It's not reflected from the

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2 documents and the conversations I had in 3 preparation for today. 4 Q.

What business has Genever BVI

5 conducted? 6 A.

It owns Genever New York, which owns

7 the residence at The Sherry-Netherland. 8 Q.

Any other business that Genever BVI

9 has conducted other than owning Genever New 10 York? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 A. No. 14 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever entered into

15 any contracts? 16 A. By contract, can you specify more? 17 I think the answer is yes. 18 Q. Okay. Can you elaborate? 19 A.

It entered into -- sorry -- Genever

20 BVI entered into a pledge agreement with an 21 entity called Roscalitar 2, and also with an 22 entity called Blue Capital Limited. 23 Q.

Other than those two pledge

24 agreements, has Genever BVI entered into any 25 contracts?

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2 A.

Not from the documents and the

3 conversations I had in preparation for today. 4 Q.

Does Genever BVI have a bank

5 account? 6 A. No. 7 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever paid any money

8 to any other person or entity? 9 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

10 the question. 11 A.

When you say "any other person or

12 entity," who are you referring to? 13 Q.

Any person or entity other than

14 Genever BVI. 15 A.

Has Genever BVI paid any money to

16 any other person or entity other than Genever 17 BVI? 18 Q. Yeah, to anyone.

Has it ever

19 incurred a debt that it needed to pay money 20 for? Has it ever cut a check?

Has it ever

21 spent any money on any goods or services? 22 A.

It hired a registered agent in the

23 BVI and paid them for secretarial services. 24 Q. Other than that? 25 A.

No, not from -- I did not see that

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2 from the documents and the conversations I had 3 in preparation for today. 4 Q.

Do you know where the money came

5 from to pay the registered agent for the 6 secretarial services? 7 A. I believe it came from Bravo Luck. 8 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever received any

9 money from any person or entity? 10 A.

No, that's not apparent from the

11 documents that I've reviewed in preparation for 12 today. 13 Q.

At the time of Genever BVI's

14 formation, was Mr. Kwok its sole shareholder? 15 A. Yes.

And by Mr. Kwok, you're

16 referring to Miles Kwok? 17 Q. Yes. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q.

So for purposes of clarity of the

20 record, thank you for mentioning that, when I 21 refer to Mr. Kwok, I'm going to be referring to 22 Miles Kwok.

When I'm referring to Guo Qiang, I

23 will be referring to Mr. Kwok's son. 24 Is that okay? 25 A. That's fine.

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2 Q.

And that's the way you have been

3 using those terms during the course of this 4 deposition, right? 5 A. Yeah. That's fine. 6 Q.

Can you direct your attention to the

7 next page, please, Mr. Podhaskie, which is 8 Bates stamped KWOK147.

The top, it says,

9 "Incorporated under the BVI Business Companies 10 Act 2004," and then it says, "Genever Holdings 11 Corporation," in the middle. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q.

Can you please identify this

14 document? 15 A.

This appears to be a copy of the

16 share certificate for Genever BVI. 17 Q.

And as far as you know, this is a

18 true, correct, authentic and accurate document? 19 A.

Again, based on the documents I

20 reviewed in preparation for today, it would 21 appear to be an accurate copy. 22 Q.

And this provides that Mr. Kwok is

23 the owner of 1,000 shares, and those shares 24 have a par value of .001 cents; is that 25 correct?

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2 A. I think it's .001 dollar, but yes. 3 Q. Yes. Thank you. 001 dollar? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Thank you.

6 And so the total value of Mr. Kwok's

7 share holding in Genever Corporation -- Genever 8 BVI would be one dollar; is that right? 9 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

10 the question. 11 A. If the math adds up, then yes. 12 That's what it appears to say here. 13 Q.

Did Mr. Kwok pay a dollar for his

14 shares? 15 A.

From the documents I reviewed,

16 that's not reflected. 17 Q.

Do you know whether or not he paid

18 any amount of money for his shares, Mr. Kwok? 19 A. I don't know. 20 Q.

Has Mr. Kwok been the sole

21 shareholder of Genever BVI for the entirety of 22 Genever BVI's existence? 23 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

24 in preparation for today, yes. 25 Q.

So Mr. Kwok is the sole owner of

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**1 PODHASKIE 2 Genever BVI? 3 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 4 the question. 5 A. He is the sole shareholder of 6 Genever BVI. 7 Q. And are you distinguishing between 8 shareholders and owners because it's a 9 corporation? Is that why? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. But there is nobody else who owns 12 Genever BVI; is that correct? 13 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 14 the question. 15 A. Other than Mr. Kwok? 16 Q. Yes. 17 A. Based on the documents I reviewed 18 today, there's no other shareholder besides 19 Mr. Kwok. 20 Q. Who is Zhang Wei? 21 A. He is a colleague of Mr. Kwok's that 22 lives in China that ultimately lent the money 23 to purchase The Sherry-Netherland. 24 Q. Is he a family member of Mr. Kwok? 25 A. I would be speculating, so I don't**

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2 know. 3 MR. MITCHELL:

I caution the witness

4 not to speculate. 5 Q.

When you say Zhang Wei ultimately 6 lent the money to purchase The

7 Sherry-Netherland, to whom did Zhang Wei lend 8 the money? 9 A.

He lent the money to Bravo Luck, a

10 company that, at that time, was owned by 11 Mr. Kwok's son, Guo Qiang, and then Guo Qiang

12 ended up funding the purchase of The

13 Sherry-Netherland through Bravo Luck. 14 Q.

Does Mr. Zhang Wei have any -- own

15 any of the shares of Genever BVI? 16 A.

Based on the documents that I

17 reviewed in preparation for today, his 18 ownership is not reflected on those documents. 19 Q.

At any time during Genever BVI's

20 existence, did Mr. Zhang Wei own any shares of 21 Genever BVI? 22 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

23 in preparation for today, that is not 24 reflected. 25 Q.

Mr. Kwok was the sole director of

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**1 PODHASKIE 2 Genever BVI at the time it was formed; is that 3 correct? 4 A. Yes. Again, based on what I 5 reviewed for today. 6 Q. Has Genever BVI, during the course 7 of its existence, ever had any directors other 8 than Mr. Kwok? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Who were those other directors? 11 A. There was a corporate secretary, a 12 registered agent in the BVI that acted as a 13 director as well. 14 Q. Is that Elian First Director? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And was that director -- was Elian 17 First Director only a director for a day or so, 18 until it was replaced by Mr. Kwok? 19 A. I don't know how long it was, but it 20 was a short period of time initially, yes. 21 Q. A day or a couple of days? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Other than Elian First Director, 24 which was a director of Genever BVI for a day 25 or a couple of days, has there been any other**

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2 director of Genever BVI besides Mr. Kwok? 3 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

4 the question. 5 You can answer. 6 A. No. 7 Q.

Has Mr. Kwok ever stopped being a

8 director of Genever BVI? 9 A. No. 10 Q. He's still a director to this day? 11 A. He is currently still a director. 12 Q.

He is currently still the only

13 director? 14 A. He is the only director.

Guo Qiang

15 is the president. 16 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever had any

17 offices? 18 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

19 the question. 20 A.

When you say "offices," do you mean

21 like business office, corporate office, 22 something like that? 23 Q. Yes. 24 A.

It has a mailing address in the

25 British Virgin Islands, but it does not have an

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2 office that is what we typically think of as an 3 office like this. 4 Q.

Genever BVI has never had a business

5 or a corporate office? 6 A. Correct. 7 Q.

Is the mailing address that Genever

8 BVI has the mailing address for its registered 9 agent for service of process? 10 A. In the BVI? 11 Q. Yes. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q.

Does it have any other -- does

14 Genever hold -- strike that.

15 Does Genever BVI have any other

16 mailing address other than the mailing address 17 for its registered agent for service of process 18 in the BVI? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. What other addresses does it have? 21 A.

There is another address in Hong

22 Kong where it maintains its books and records. 23 Q. And what is that address? 24 A.

I don't know it off the top of my

25 head.

If I had the records in front of me, I

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2 would be able to find it. 3 Q. And what is that address?

Is it the

4 office of another company? 5 A.

It's -- from what I understand, it's

6 just another mailing address or another -- just 7 an office where they keep the books and 8 records. 9 Q.

And who's in charge of maintaining

10 the books and records? 11 A. Guo Qiang. 12 Q.

Any other addresses besides the

13 registered agent for service of process in the 14 BVI and the mailing address where the books and 15 records are kept in Hong Kong? 16 A. No, not that I'm aware of. 17 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever had any

18 employees? 19 A. No. 20 Q.

Does Genever BVI have a phone

21 number? 22 A.

I think there is a phone number for

23 the registered agent, but other than that, no. 24 Q.

Does Genever BVI have an e-mail

25 address?

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2 A. No. 3 Q. Does Genever BVI have any officers? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. You mentioned Guo Qiang. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. What is his role at Genever BVI? 8 A. He is the president. 9 Q. When did he become the president? 10 A. May of 2015. 11 Q.

Did Genever BVI have any officers

12 from the time it was formed in February of 2015 13 until Guo Qiang became the president in May of 14 2015? 15 A.

If you consider a director an

16 officer, then yes. 17 Q. And that would have been Mr. Kwok? 18 A. Correct. 19 Q. And Elian for a day or two? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q.

Other than directors and other

22 than -- strike that.

23 Other than directors, between

24 February of 2015, when it was formed, and May 25 of 2015, when Guo Qiang became president, did

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2 Genever BVI have any officers? 3 A. No. 4 Q.

Who appointed or elected Guo Qiang

5 as president in May of 2015? 6 A. Mr. Kwok. 7 Q. Has -- strike that.

8 Has Genever BVI ever had any other

9 officers, I'm not talking about directors, just 10 officers, other than Guo Qiang, the president? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Is Guo Qiang still the president? 13 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

14 in preparation for today, yes. 15 Q.

Between May of 2015, when he was

16 appointed president by Mr. Kwok, and today, has 17 Guo Qiang ever -- did he ever stop being 18 president for any period of time? 19 A. Not that I'm aware of. 20 Q.

Did Mr. Kwok ever have an officer

21 role at Genever BVI? 22 A. Not that I'm aware of. 23 Q.

And you're not aware of any other

24 officers besides Guo Qiang? 25 A. Yes. Correct.

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2 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever had a board

3 meeting? 4 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

5 the question. 6 A.

From the documents that I reviewed,

7 it's not reflected in there. 8 Q.

So based on everything you've seen,

9 the answer to that question is no? 10 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

11 the question. 12 A.

If Genever BVI had a board meeting,

13 it was not reflected in the documents I 14 reviewed for today's preparation. 15 Q.

What documents does Genever BVI

16 maintain? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 A.

The corporate documents that were

20 generated when it was formed, the share 21 certificate, the register of directors and 22 shareholders, and there was a resolution 23 appointing Guo Qiang as president as well. 24 Q.

And you know that there's an address

25 where those documents are maintained, but

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2 you're not sure if it's an office or a room or 3 what it is? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Do you know whether or not -- do you 6 know who owns that address, the address in Hong 7 Kong where the records are maintained? 8 A. I believe it's a UBS office, but I'm 9 speculating. 10 MR. MITCHELL:

Again, I caution the

11 witness not to speculate. 12 Q. UBS meaning the investment bank? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Are there any individuals who are 15 authorized to act on behalf of Genever BVI? 16 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

17 the question. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Who? 20 A. Mr. Kwok and Guo Qiang.

Me, for

21 this deposition. And whoever either one of 22 them appoints to act for the company.

23 Q. Has either Mr. Kwok or Guo Qiang

24 ever appointed anyone to act for Genever BVI 25 other than you in connection with this

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2 deposition? 3 A. I don't know.

4 MR. MITCHELL:

Just object to the

5 form of that question. 6 Q.

Who specifically appointed you to

7 act for Genever BVI for this deposition? 8 A. Guo Qiang. 9 Q.

Are you authorized to act for

10 Genever BVI for any purpose other than this 11 deposition currently? 12 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

13 the question. 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q.

What actions has Mr. Kwok taken on

16 behalf of Genever BVI? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 You can answer. 20 A.

Other than signing the corporate

21 formation documents, I don't know. 22 Q.

What actions has Guo Qiang taken on

23 behalf of Genever BVI? 24 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

25 the question.

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2 A.

I don't really understand what you 3 mean by "what actions." Can you be more

4 specific? 5 Q.

To your knowledge, has Guo Qiang

6 ever done anything, ever attended a meeting, 7 spent money, engaged in any type of business 8 interaction at all ever on behalf of Genever 9 BVI? 10 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

11 the question. 12 A. He was involved in the formation. 13 He was involved in the purchase of The Sherry, 14 in reviewing the different properties that they 15 thought about purchasing.

He signed various

16 documents for Genever BVI.

He communicated 17 with the representatives of The

18 Sherry-Netherland for the purchase.

He

19 communicated with the real estate brokers for 20 the purchase. 21 Q.

When you say he signed various

22 documents for Genever BVI, which documents are 23 you referring to? 24 A.

He signed a request for an

25 employer -- an EIN, employer identification

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2 number. 3 MR. MITCHELL:

Just so -- he's

4 asking you about Genever BVI. 5 THE WITNESS: Oh, okay. 6 A.

Oh, that might have been for Genever

7 New York.

8 So for Genever BVI --

9 MR. MOSS:

Thank you for the

10 clarification. 11 Q. Let's just go back.

12 You had an answer earlier, he was

13 involved in the formation, he was involved in 14 the purchase of The Sherry, and you had -- if 15 you want to go back and take a look at that 16 answer, that's fine, but I just want to make 17 sure the record is clear.

18 Was that answer relating to Genever

19 New York or Genever BVI? 20 A.

(Reviewing.) So I guess, just to be

21 clear, Guo Qiang was involved in the formation 22 of Genever BVI.

After he was appointed as

23 president, I recall seeing several documents 24 that he signed for Genever BVI in his capacity 25 as president.

I don't recall what those are,

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2 as I sit here.

3 Other than that, I can't think of

4 anything. 5 Q.

Genever BVI is the sole owner of

6 Genever New York; is that correct? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q.

Is Genever BVI also the sole member

11 of Genever New York? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q.

Is it correct that Genever New

14 York -- strike that.

15 Is it correct that Genever BVI

16 formed Genever New York? 17 A. Yes.

From the documents I reviewed,

18 I believe that's accurate. 19 Q.

Can you direct your attention,

20 Mr. Podhaskie, to Exhibit 3, page KWOK193. 21 It's a document entitled "Genever Holdings 22 Corporation Written Consent of Director."

It's

23 Bates stamped KWOK193 to 194. 24 Can you identify this document? 25 A.

(Document review.)

Yes.

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2 Q. Please do so. 3 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

4 in preparation for today, this appears to be a 5 copy of Genever BVI's written consent of sole 6 director, dated February 12, 2015. 7 Q.

And the signature block is Ho Wan

8 Kwok. 9 Is that Mr. Kwok? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q.

Do you have any reason to believe

12 that this is not an accurate and authentic 13 document? 14 A. No. 15 Q.

This document mentions Andrea Sanft,

16 S-A-N-F-T. 17 Who is she? 18 A.

She is a lawyer either with the firm

19 of Paul Weiss or Williams & Connolly. 20 Q.

And she was authorized to be an

21 authorized person on behalf of Genever BVI 22 according to this written consent; is that 23 correct? 24 A. Yes, that's correct. 25 Q.

And she was authorized to be an

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2 authorized person to form Genever New York and 3 to take such other acts and do such other 4 things as are necessary to permit Genever New 5 York to exist and obtain authority to do 6 business in the state of New York and New York 7 City; is that correct? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question. 10 You can answer. 11 A.

Yes, based on this written consent

12 of the sole director, that's accurate. 13 Q.

Is Genever New York an asset of

14 Genever BVI? 15 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

16 the question. 17 A.

If you assume that a ownership of a

18 limited liability company is an asset, then 19 yes. 20 Q.

Is that your understanding, that a

21 ownership of a limited liability company is an 22 asset? 23 A. That is my personal understanding.

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2 Q.

You don't know whether or not

3 Genever BVI has an understanding as to whether 4 or not Genever New York is one of its assets? 5 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

6 the question. 7 A. So what is the question? 8 Q.

Is Genever New York an asset of

9 Genever BVI? 10 A.

Does Genever BVI consider Genever

11 New York an asset? 12 Q. Yes. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.

Genever BVI considers Genever New

15 York to be one of Genever BVI's assets? 16 A. Correct. 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question, asked and answered. 19 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever held any assets

20 other than Genever New York? 21 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

22 in preparation for today, no. 23 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever acquired an

24 asset other than Genever New York? 25 A.

Again, from what I reviewed in

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2 preparation for today, no. 3 Q.

Has Genever BVI ever sold an asset

4 other than Genever New York? 5 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

6 the question. 7 A.

Again, from what I reviewed in

8 preparation for today, no. 9 Q.

Are any of Genever BVI's assets

10 currently encumbered or pledged? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 A.

The assets are not -- I don't think

14 I can answer because it's a little complicated. 15 The assets are not pledged.

Genever BVI's

16 assets are not pledged to anyone. 17 Q.

Let's just be clear what we're

18 talking about when we're talking about assets.

19 Does Genever BVI currently have any

20 assets other than Genever New York? 21 A. Yes, they have their shares. 22 Q. Whose shares? 23 A. Genever BVI. 24 Q.

But doesn't Mr. Kwok hold those

25 shares?

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2 A. Yes. 3 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

4 the question. 5 Q. So my question is, does Genever BVI 6 itself hold any assets other than Genever New 7 York? 8 A. No.

9 Q. Is Genever New York currently

10 encumbered? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 A. What do you mean by "encumbered"? 14 Q. Is it currently pledged to anyone? 15 A. No. 16 Q. Does anyone currently have a lien 17 against it? 18 A. No. 19 Q. Has it been promised to anybody in

20 connection with any possible future

21 transaction? 22 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

23 the question.

24 A. There's the order from Judge

25 Ostrager in the case indicating that if Genever

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2 New York has to -- enters into a contract to 3 sell The Sherry-Netherland residence, it has to 4 provide PAX with written notice. 5 Q.

Other than Justice Ostrager's order,

6 is Genever New York encumbered in any way? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A. No, not that I'm aware of. 10 Q.

You testified that there was a point

11 in time where the assets of Genever BVI were 12 pledged -- strike that.

13 Has Genever BVI been assigned to

14 anyone? 15 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

16 the question. 17 A. No. 18 Q.

You mentioned that there was a time

19 when Genever BVI's assets were pledged to an 20 entity called Roscalitar 2; is that correct? 21 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

22 the question. 23 A.

I believe that Genever BVI pledged

24 its shares to Roscalitar 2, but yes. 25 Q.

Pledged its shares in Genever New

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2 York? 3 A. Its shares in Genever BVI. 4 Q.

Genever BVI pledged its own shares,

5 100 percent of its shares to Roscalitar 2? 6 A. Yes, I believe that's accurate. 7 Q.

And by virtue of pledging a hundred

8 percent of its own shares, it was also pledging 9 Genever New York and the assets held by Genever 10 New York; is that correct? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q.

Why was Genever BVI -- why were

13 Genever BVI shares pledged to Roscalitar 2? 14 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

15 the question. 16 A.

Because Zhang Wei had asked Genever

17 to pledge its shares via the loan. 18 Q.

Why did Zhang Wei want Genever to

19 pledge its shares? 20 A.

As security for the loan that he

21 gave to Genever ultimately to buy the 22 residence. 23 Q.

Who made the decision to pledge the

24 shares of Genever BVI to Roscalitar 2? 25 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form.

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2 A. On behalf of Genever? 3 Q. Yes. 4 A. Guo Qiang. 5 Q.

Was Mr. Kwok involved in that

6 decision? 7 A. I believe he was.

I don't know for

8 certain. 9 Q.

Did he know about the pledge at the

10 time it was entered into? 11 A. I believe so. 12 MR. MITCHELL:

I just caution the

13 witness. He said I believe.

Don't

14 speculate.

If you're speculating, please 15 don't do so, but

16 Q.

Was there any board resolution or

17 any official activity to commemorate the pledge 18 to Roscalitar 2? 19 A.

Not from what I reviewed in

20 preparation for today. 21 Q. Is Roscalitar 2 owned by Zhang Wei? 22 A. I don't know. 23 Q. Is it controlled by Zhang Wei? 24 A. I don't know. 25 Q.

Do you know who owns or controls

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2 Roscalitar 2? 3 A. No. 4 Q.

There came a time when the pledge to

5 Roscalitar 2 was taken off; is that correct? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

And that was in or around May of

8 2015; is that right? 9 A. When the pledge was taken off?

I'd

10 have to review the dates, but it sounds 11 somewhere around that time. 12 Q.

Why was the pledge to Roscalitar 2

13 taken off? 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q.

Was there any board meeting or

16 activity, formal corporate resolution around 17 that? 18 A.

Not from what I reviewed in

19 preparation for today. 20 Q.

I think you testified earlier that

21 later, after the pledge to Roscalitar was taken 22 off, Genever BVI shares were pledged to a 23 company called Blue Capital; is that correct? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q.

And why were the shares pledged to

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2 Blue Capital? 3 A.

Guo Qiang was looking to obtain a

4 loan facility and he wanted to pledge the 5 shares of Genever BVI to Blue Capital as 6 security for a loan facility. 7 Q. What was the loan for? 8 A.

He wanted to invest, you know, do

9 other kinds of investments. 10 Q.

Do you know who controls or owns

11 Blue Capital? 12 A. No. 13 Q.

Was Mr. Kwok involved in the

14 decision to pledge Genever BVI's shares to Blue 15 Capital? 16 A. I don't know. 17 Q. Did he know about the pledge? 18 A. I don't know. 19 Q.

Was the pledge to Blue Capital at

20 some point taken off? 21 A. Yes, I believe so. 22 Q. Why? 23 A. I don't know. 24 Q.

And, currently, there's no pledge of

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A. Yes.

(Podhaskie Exhibit 4, Certificate of
Registration of Charge, marked for
identification.)

Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, I have handed you

Exhibit 4.

Can you identify this document?

A.

(Document review.) This appears to

be a copy of the pledge from Genever BVI to

Roscalitar 2.

Q. And it was put on on May 21, 2015;

is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q.

Does this appear, based on your work

to prepare for this deposition, does this

appear to be a true and correct copy of the

registration of charge?

A.

(Document review.)

Yes.

Q.

And is this, this charge, Exhibit 4,

is that a document that Genever BVI would have

retained in the ordinary course of its

business?

A. Yes.

Q.

Is the same true for the other

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2 exhibits that I've shown you today, other than 3 Exhibits 1 and 2, so Exhibits 3 and 4 are also 4 documents that would have been retained by 5 Genever BVI in the ordinary course of its 6 business? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

I just want to ask

8 you, for the record, you asked him about 9 4, he said yes.

10 So you're really only asking him

11 about 3 now, correct? 12 MR. MOSS: Yes. 13 Q. If you can flip through 3.

Are

14 those documents that Genever BVI or Genever New 15 York maintained in the ordinary course of its 16 business? 17 A.

(Document review.)

Yes.

18 (Podhaskie Exhibit 5, Notice of

19 Satisfaction or Release of Registered 20 Charge Pursuant to Section 165, marked for

21 identification.)

22 Q.

You have been handed Exhibit 5, 23 Mr. Podhaskie, which is a Notice of

24 Satisfaction or Release of Registered Charge 25 Pursuant to Section 165.

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2 Can you identify this document,

3 please? 4 A.

This appears to be a copy of a

5 Notice of Satisfaction or Release of Registered 6 Charge dated May -- sorry -- March 17, 2017. 7 Q.

And does this appear to be a true 8 and correct and authentic copy of the

9 satisfaction of charge? 10 A.

From what I reviewed in preparation

11 for today, yes. 12 Q.

And is this a document that Genever

13 BVI would have maintained in the ordinary 14 course of its business? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q.

And is that consistent with Genever

17 BVI's testimony that the pledge to Roscalitar 2 18 was taken off on March 17, 2017? 19 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

20 the question. 21 A. Yes. 22 Q.

After March 17, 2017, was Genever

23 BVI ever again pledged to Roscalitar 2? 24 A.

From the documents that I reviewed

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(Podhaskie Exhibit 6, Defendant's
Memorandum of Law in Opposition to
Plaintiff's Motion for an Order of
Pre-Judgment Attachment, marked for
identification.)

Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, you have been handed

Exhibit 6, which is Defendant's Memorandum of

Law in Opposition to Plaintiff's Motion for an

Order of Pre-Judgment Attachment filed by

Hodgson Russ LLP on behalf of the defendant.

Have you ever seen this document

before?

A. Yes.

Q.

I'm going to direct your attention

to page 9, and I would like to direct your

attention -- you see the paragraph that starts

"As explained"?

A. Which page -- which number 9?

Q. Sure. It's 9 or 15 of 30.

A. Okay. Yes.

Q.

And if you jump down one, two,

three, four, five -- six lines down.

A. Uh-huh.

Q.

Do you see a sentence that starts

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2 with "While Kwok"? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q.

"While Kwok is the sole shareholder

5 of Genever BVI, since May of 2015, the assets 6 of Genever BVI -- which by virtue of its

7 ownership of Genever USA include the

8 apartment -- have been pledged in their 9 entirety to Roscalitar 2, an unrelated third

10 party not owned by Kwok."

11 Do you see that? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q.

And if you look at the top, do you

14 see that this document is dated May 16 of 2018? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q.

And as of this date, the assets of

17 Genever BVI were not, in fact, pledged to 18 Roscalitar 2; is that correct? 19 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

20 the question. 21 A.

I think we established that the

22 Genever BVI pledge to Roscalitar 2 was removed 23 effective March 17, 2017, if I'm not mistaken. 24 Q.

So this is not a true statement; is

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question. 4 A.

I don't know that the release of the

5 charge was publicly available to Hodgson Russ 6 when they filed this brief. 7 Q. So try to focus on the question. 8 I'm not asking you whether or not Hodgson Russ 9 knew that the statement was false.

10 I'm just asking you whether or not

11 this statement, when it was made to the court 12 on May 16, 2018, was true or false. 13 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

14 the question. 15 A.

(Document review.) Again, if the

16 release of the charge was not publicly 17 available and was not known to Hodgson Russ, 18 then this statement would have been accurate. 19 Q. Let me try it again. 20 Was this statement true or false? 21 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

22 the question. 23 Q. When it was made on May 16, 2018? 24 MR. MITCHELL: Asked and answered. 25 A.

And the statement you're referring

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2 to is? 3 Q.

Is the representation here that the

4 assets of Genever BVI have been pledged in 5 their entirety to Roscalitar 2 since May 2015. 6 A.

Again, I would refer to my prior

7 answer. 8 Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, that's a false

9 statement, correct? 10 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

11 the question. 12 A.

What do you mean by "false

13 statement"? 14 Q.

I mean, it was not true, as of

15 May 16, 2018, that the assets of Genever BVI 16 were pledged to Roscalitar 2, right? 17 A.

The pledge was released with an

18 effective date of March 17, 2017.

I don't know

19 when this was filed with the BVI records or 20 with the BVI Business Companies Act.

21 So I don't know what was available

22 in May of 2018 that would have reflected 23 whether or not the assets were still pledged. 24 Q.

Were the assets of Genever BVI

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Objection to the form

3 of the question, asked and answered.

4 You have asked him the same question

5 six times.

You're not getting the answer

6 you want. I'm sorry for that.

But he has

7 answered it. 8 MR. MOSS: He hasn't answered it. 9 A. Okay. So what was the question? 10 Q.

Were the assets of Genever BVI

11 pledged to Roscalitar 2 as of May 16, 2018? 12 A.

The pledge from Genever BVI to

13 Roscalitar 2 was released effective March 17, 14 2017. 15 Q.

So the answer to my question is no,

16 right? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 A. What was your question? 20 Q.

Try to listen to the question and

21 answer the question I'm asking.

You'd know the

22 question I was asking if you were trying to 23 answer it. 24 MR. MITCHELL:

Objection to whatever

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2 Q.

Were the assets of Genever BVI

3 pledged to Roscalitar 2 as of May 16, 2018? 4 MR. MITCHELL:

Objection, asked and

5 answered. 6 A.

Again, the pledge to Roscalitar 2

7 from Genever BVI was released effective 8 March 17, 2017.

I think that answers your

9 question. 10 Q.

Did anyone at Genever BVI or Genever

11 New York review this brief before it was filed 12 with the court? 13 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

14 the question.

This is outside of the

15 scope of what you asked him in terms of 16 your deposition notices.

You didn't ask

17 him about any legal documents filed or 18 anything of that nature.

19 So if he can answer the question, I 20 will allow him to answer it, but he

21 certainly can't be expected to have that 22 knowledge. 23 Q. Can you answer? 24 A. I don't know. 25 Q.

By the way, do you know when Genever

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2 BVI received -- you testified earlier that the 3 satisfaction of charge document was maintained 4 by Genever BVI in the ordinary course of its 5 business, right? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

Do you know when Genever BVI

8 received a copy of that document? 9 A. I don't. 10 Q.

Do you have any reason to believe

11 that it took a year for Genever BVI to receive 12 a copy of that document? 13 A.

I don't know how long it took for

14 them to receive the document. 15 Q.

Is it your best understanding that

16 Genever BVI, when you say it maintained the 17 document in its ordinary course, would have had 18 that document in its files by the end of 2017? 19 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

20 the question. 21 A.

I don't know, but based on my

22 experience with lawyers and people in the BVI, 23 they do things much slower than we do. 24 Q.

Do you know whether or not the

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2 was publicly available in 2017? 3 A. I don't know. 4 Q.

It's not Genever BVI's testimony

5 that it takes a year for documents registered 6 in -- relating to charges in the BVI to become 7 publicly available, is it? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question.

10 And, again, this is outside the

11 scope of the 30(b)(6) notice.

If he

12 knows, he can answer, but he certainly 13 can't be expected to know. 14 A. I don't know how long it takes.

15 (Podhaskie Exhibit 7, Certificate of 16 Registration of Charge, marked for 17 identification.)

18 Q.

You have been handed Exhibit 7,

19 Mr. Podhaskie. 20 Can you identify this document? 21 MR. MITCHELL: I'm sorry.

We are

22 calling this 7? 23 MR. MOSS: Yes. 24 A.

(Document review.) It appears to be

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2 Charge dated February 14, 2018. 3 Q.

And is this the charge, the pledge

4 to Blue Capital that you testified that was 5 made in connection with Guo Qiang's loan? 6 A. It would appear to be, yes. 7 Q.

To your knowledge, is this -- to

8 Genever BVI's knowledge, is this a true and 9 accurate copy of the pledge document? 10 A.

(Document review.) Yes, it appears

11 to be. 12 Q.

And is this a document that Genever

13 BVI maintains in the ordinary course of its 14 business? 15 A. This would be, yes. 16 Q.

And is Genever BVI's testimony that

17 it's not sure whether or not its sole director 18 and sole shareholder, Mr. Kwok, knew about this 19 pledge when it was entered into? 20 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

21 the question. 22 You can answer. 23 A. I don't know. 24 Q.

Who would know the answer to that

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2 A. Probably Mr. Kwok. 3 Q.

Well, you recall Mr. Kwok testified

4 that he didn't know anything about any pledges, 5 right? Did you know that? 6 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

7 the question. 8 A. If that's what his testimony was.

I

9 don't recall exactly what he testified to. 10 Q.

At the time this pledge was entered

11 into, Mr. Kwok was still the sole shareholder 12 and sole director of Genever BVI, right? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.

Were there any discussions at

15 Genever BVI regarding the fact that this 16 charge, this pledge was entered into when 17 Pacific Alliance's lawsuit was pending? 18 MR. MITCHELL:

Objection to the form

19 of the question. 20 A. Not that I'm aware of. 21 Q.

You testified earlier that this Blue

22 Capital pledge, at some point, was taken off or 23 satisfied; is that correct? 24 A. That's my understanding, yes. 25 Q.

Did that -- did you testify -- let

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2 (Podhaskie Exhibit 8, Notice of 3 Satisfaction or Release of Registered 4 Charge, marked for identification.)

5 Q.

You have been handed Exhibit 8,

6 Mr. Podhaskie. 7 Can you identify it, please? 8 A.

This appears to be a copy of a

9 Notice of Satisfaction or Release of Registered 10 Charge. It's dated effective June 12, 2018. 11 Q.

And is this the satisfaction of the

12 Blue Capital charge that we were just talking 13 about? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q.

Is this a true and correct copy,

16 authentic copy of the satisfaction of charge? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 A. It would appear to be, yes. 20 Q.

And is this a document that's

21 maintained by Genever BVI in the ordinary 22 course of its business? 23 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

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2 Q.

And you don't have anything to add

3 about discussions around this or why this 4 pledge was taken off, right? 5 A.

No, I don't know why it was taken

6 off. 7 Q.

Did you ask Guo Qiang, when you

8 spoke to him to prepare for the deposition, why 9 this pledge was taken off? 10 A. No. 11 Q.

Did Genever BVI -- anyone at Genever 12 BVI ever have any discussions about

13 transferring ownership of Genever BVI to anyone 14 other than Mr. Kwok? 15 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

16 the question. 17 A. I don't know.

Not that I'm aware

18 of. 19 Q.

Did Genever BVI, or anyone on behalf 20 of Genever BVI, ever approach The

21 Sherry-Netherland to ask whether or not the 22 ownership of Genever BVI could be restructured 23 and assigned to Mr. Kwok's son? 24 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

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2 A. No, not on behalf of Genever BVI. 3 Q. On behalf of anyone?

Were there

4 ever any -- was there ever a request to The 5 Sherry-Netherland to transfer or assign 6 ownership of Genever BVI or Genever New York or 7 The Sherry-Netherland to Mr. Kwok's son? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question. 10 A.

There was a request made to The

11 Sherry-Netherland to transfer ownership from 12 Mr. Kwok to Guo Qiang, his son. 13 Q. To transfer ownership of what? 14 A. The Sherry-Netherland. 15 Q. And when was that request made? 16 A.

I don't recall the date off the top

17 of my head. 18 Q.

Whose idea was it to make that

19 request? 20 A. I believe Guo Qiang. 21 Q. Why was the request made? 22 A.

Because he initially wanted to

23 purchase The Sherry-Netherland himself and The 24 Sherry didn't like the idea of someone his age 25 at the time, you know, a mid 20-year-old,

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2 owning this residence.

And so his father

3 became the owner and then they had the idea of, 4 after the fact, maybe approaching the board and 5 seeing if Guo Qiang could become the owner. 6 Q.

And did Mr. Kwok know about that

7 request? 8 A. Yes, I think he was aware of it. 9 Q.

Do you know who made the request to

10 The Sherry-Netherland? 11 A. Who specifically, no. 12 Q.

Were there ever any other

13 discussions about transferring ownership of

14 Genever BVI, Genever New York or The

15 Sherry-Netherland to anyone other than 16 Mr. Kwok? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question. 19 A. I don't know. 20 Q.

Other than the discussions we have

21 talked about, about the pledges? 22 A. Yes. 23 MR. MITCHELL: Sorry.

Just for the

24 record, I just want to make sure.

25 You're answering his question that

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2 you understood his question to mean only 3 discussions about the pledges, correct, 4 not, yes, there were other -- the record 5 is just not clear.

I just want to make 6 sure --

7 MR. MOSS: Let me try it again. 8 MR. MITCHELL: Yeah. 9 Q.

Other than the pledges that we've

10 talked about to Roscalitar 2 and Blue Capital, 11 and other than the request to transfer 12 ownership of The Sherry-Netherland to 13 Mr. Kwok's son, were there ever any discussions 14 about pledges, transfers or assignments of 15 either Genever BVI, Genever New York or The 16 Sherry-Netherland? 17 A.

There was a trust agreement with

18 Bravo Luck, but other than that, I don't know. 19 Q.

Is it true that Mr. Kwok has an

20 ownership interest in The Sherry-Netherland 21 apartment? 22 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

23 the question. 24 A. No, that's not accurate. 25 Q.

Does Mr. Kwok own The

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2 Sherry-Netherland apartment through his 3 ownership of Genever BVI which, in turn, owns 4 Genever New York which, in turn, owns the 5 apartment? 6 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

7 the question. 8 A. No, that's not accurate. 9 Q. Okay.

Is it true that Mr. Kwok's

10 ownership interest in the apartment is through 11 a limited liability company? 12 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

13 the question. 14 A. That's not accurate. 15 Q.

This is Exhibit 24 from Mr. Kwok's

16 deposition. 17 MR. MOSS: Sorry.

We don't have

18 extra copies, but we handed it out today 19 during Mr. Kwok's deposition. 20 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

Counsel, we have

21 three minutes left on the tape. 22 We are now off the record.

The time

23 is 4:25 p.m.

24 (Recess taken.)

25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

This marks the

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2 beginning of tape number two.

We are now

3 back on the record. The time is 4:38 p.m. 4 BY MR. MOSS: 5 Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, you have in front of

6 you Yvette Wang's, Yan Ping Wang's affidavit 7 submitted in this case on May 16, 2018 or -- 8 it's sworn on May 15, and the ECF stamp is 9 May 16. 10 Do you see that? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q.

This was Exhibit 24 from Mr. Kwok's

13 deposition earlier today.

14 Do you recall I asked you whether or

15 not Mr. Kwok has an ownership interest in the 16 apartment through a limited liability company 17 and you testified, no, he does not? 18 Do you recall that testimony? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Take a look at paragraph 2.

The

21 first sentence reads, "Mr. Kwok's ownership 22 interest in the apartment through a limited 23 liability company is not in real property."

24 Is it a true statement that Mr. Kwok 25 has an ownership interest in The

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2 Sherry-Netherland apartment through a limited 3 liability company? 4 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

5 the question. 6 A.

Mr. Kwok does not have an ownership

7 interest in the apartment.

He has an ownership

8 interest in The Sherry-Netherland Corporation, 9 which then leases the real property to Genever 10 New York. 11 Q.

So Mr. Kwok's ownership interest is

12 in The Sherry-Netherland Corporation? 13 A.

His ownership interest of the shares

14 of The Sherry-Netherland Corporation, is that 15 what you're referring to? 16 Q.

You testified he has a ownership

17 interest in The Sherry-Netherland Corporation. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q.

That's correct, Mr. Kwok has an

20 ownership interest in The Sherry-Netherland 21 Corporation? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q.

And that ownership interest relates

24 to the apartment on the 18th floor? 25 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 79 of 140 **1 PODHASKIE 2 the question. 3 A. He has a proprietary lease to the 4 apartment on the 18th floor, yes. 5 Q. That's related to that ownership 6 interest -- 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. -- in The Sherry-Netherland 9 Corporation, right? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. And Mr. Kwok owns that interest in 12 The Sherry-Netherland Corporation shares 13 through Genever New York and through Genever 14 BVI, right? 15 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 16 the question. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Does anyone else, other than 19 Mr. Kwok, Miles Kwok, have an ownership 20 interest in the shares of The Sherry-Netherland 21 Hotel with respect to the 18th floor apartment? 22 A. I don't know. 23 Q. As Genever BVI and Genever New 24 York's corporate representative, can you 25 identify anyone else, sitting here today?** Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 80 of 140

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question. 4 A. Sitting here in this room? 5 Q. Yeah. 6 A.

That has an ownership interest in --

7 MR. MITCHELL:

That was my

8 objection. 9 MR. MOSS: Okay.

That's what

10 happens when you depose a lawyer. 11 MR. MITCHELL:

For the record,

12 several people in the room will gladly 13 accept an ownership share in The Sherry. 14 Q.

As Genever BVI's and Genever New

15 York's corporate representative here today, can 16 you identify anyone else who has an ownership 17 interest in the shares of The Sherry-Netherland 18 Hotel with respect to the 18th floor apartment 19 beside Mr. Miles Kwok? 20 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

21 the question. 22 A. I don't know. 23 Q. Does Mr. Kwok -- strike that.

24 Has Guo Qiang ever lived in The

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question.

4 A. When you say "lived," do you mean

5 primary residence?

6 Q. I mean, has he ever resided there

7 for extended periods of time? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Has The Sherry-Netherland Hotel ever 10 been Guo Qiang's primary residence? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. When? 13 A. I'm speculating, but I think it was 14 in 2015.

15 Q. Since 2015, has Guo Qiang ever

16 been -- strike that.

17 Since 2015, has The

18 Sherry-Netherland Hotel ever been Guo Qiang's 19 primary residence? 20 A. I don't know. 21 Q. Has he ever visited since 2015? 22 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form. 23 MR. MOSS: Let me try it again. 24 Strike it.

25 Q. Has Guo Qiang ever slept in The

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2 Sherry-Netherland apartment since 2015? 3 A.

I assume so, but I can't say, you

4 know, with certainty.

I don't -- I don't sleep

5 with him, so. 6 Q.

Let's go back to Exhibit 3,

7 Mr. Podhaskie, and I would like to direct your 8 attention to page KWOK193. 9 A. Okay. 10 Q.

See it says, in the first paragraph,

11 it refers to Genever BVI being the sole member 12 of Genever New York.

13 Is Genever BVI the sole member of

14 Genever New York? 15 A.

Just for the record, it says "being

16 the sole director of Genever Holdings

17 Corporation."

18 Q.

So take a look at the first

19 resolution. See "Resolved, that Andrea Sanft"? 20 Do you see that? 21 A. Yes, yes. 22 Q.

And look at the last sentence of

23 that paragraph.

"To the extent necessary to

24 complete such actions, the corporation," and 25 the corporation refers to Genever BVI?

Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 83 of 140 **1 PODHASKIE 2 A. Uh-huh. 3 Q. "As sole member of Genever New 4 York." 5 Do you see that? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Is Genever BVI the sole member of 8 Genever New York? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Has Genever BVI been the sole member 11 of Genever New York since Genever New York's 12 foundation? 13 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 14 the question. 15 A. Yes. 16 MR. MOSS: Well, that's because it's 17 a bad question. 18 Q. Has Genever BVI been the sole member 19 of Genever New York's since Genever New York's 20 formation? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. If you look at the third resolution 23 there, there's a resolution relating to Michael 24 O'Connor. 25 A. Uh-huh.** Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 84 of 140

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2 Q. Who is Michael O'Connor? 3 A.

He is an attorney either with the

4 firm of Paul Weiss or Williams & Connolly.

I'm

5 not sure.

I think Paul Weiss, but I'm not

6 positive. 7 Q.

And so Ms. Sanft was authorized to

8 form Genever New York, and Mr. O'Connor was 9 authorized to cause Genever New York, once 10 formed, to enter into a purchase agreement with 11 The Sherry-Netherland; is that correct? 12 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

13 the question. 14 A. Yes. 15 Q.

And so the plan, from formation, was

16 that once Genever New York was formed, it would 17 enter into a purchase agreement with The 18 Sherry-Netherland relating to the 18th floor, 19 correct? 20 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

21 the question. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q.

And the purpose of forming Genever

24 New York was to enter into that agreement with 25 The Sherry-Netherland? Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 85 of 140

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question. 4 A. That was one of the purposes, yes. 5 Q. What were the other purposes? 6 A.

To invest in other real estate as

7 they deemed fit. 8 Q.

Genever New York and Genever BVI

9 were formed within days of each other, right? 10 A. Yes, around the same time. 11 Q.

You said that Genever New York had

12 other purposes to invest in other real estate 13 as they deemed fit.

14 Has Genever New York ever invested 15 in any other real estate besides The

16 Sherry-Netherland Hotel? 17 A. No. 18 Q.

So Genever New York and Genever BVI

19 were both formed to hold Mr. Kwok's interest in 20 The Sherry-Netherland apartment? 21 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

22 the question. 23 A. That's not accurate. 24 Q. Okay. What's inaccurate about it? 25 A.

Initially, Guo Qiang, Mr. Kwok's

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2 son, wanted to purchase the apartment at The 3 Sherry-Netherland.

They formed the

4 corporations with the understanding that he

5 would be the actual owner, but The

6 Sherry-Netherland did not like the idea of Guo 7 Qiang being the owner because they felt that he 8 was too young. 9 Q.

So is it your testimony that Genever

10 New York and Genever BVI were formed to hold 11 Guo Qiang's interest in The Sherry-Netherland, 12 but Mr. Kwok just ended up being the owner 13 because that's what The Sherry-Netherland 14 wanted? 15 A.

They were formed to own the real

16 estate that Guo Qiang and the family wanted to 17 invest in.

They made Mr. Kwok the sole member

18 of Genever BVI, and as the sole member of 19 Genever BVI, the owner of Genever New York 20 because The Sherry-Netherland felt that Guo 21 Qiang was too young to be the owner of this 22 particular apartment. 23 Q.

I direct your attention to page 178

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2 A.

(Document review.) It is a -- looks

3 like a printout from the New York State 4 Department of State, the corporations public 5 inquiry system for Genever Holdings LLC. 6 Q.

And it shows -- and that's the

7 entity we have been referring to as Genever New 8 York, right? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q.

And this document refers to Genever

11 New York being incorporated in New York 12 effective February 17, 2015; is that correct? 13 A. That's what this says, yes. 14 Q.

And that's consistent with Genever's

15 understanding, right? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q.

And so Genever New York was formed

18 about five days after Genever BVI was formed? 19 A.

I don't recall exactly, but they

20 were formed around the same time. 21 Q.

Does it refresh your recollection if

22 I told you a few minutes ago we looked at 23 documents showing that Genever BVI was formed 24 on February 12? 25 A. No.

Which document were we looking

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2 at? 3 Q. Why don't you take a look at 145? 4 MR. SARNOFF: Of Exhibit 3. 5 A.

(Document review.) Yes, it was

6 formed -- according to this, it was formed 7 February 13, 2015. 8 Q.

Genever BVI was formed on

9 February 13, 2015, and Genever New York was 10 formed on February 17, 2015, right? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 A. Yes, based on these documents. 14 Q. So four days apart? 15 A. That would be correct. 16 Q.

What was Genever -- Genever New York

17 was formed to enter into the agreement with The 18 Sherry-Netherland Hotel, correct? 19 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

20 the question, asked and answered. 21 A. Yes, that was one of the purposes. 22 Q.

Has the business purpose of Genever

23 New York changed over time? 24 A. No. 25 Q.

Have any purposes been added or

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2 subtracted? 3 A. No. 4 Q. What business has Genever New York 5 conducted since it was formed in February 2015?

6 A. It owns The Sherry-Netherland

7 apartment. 8 Q. Any other business? 9 A. No. 10 Q. Has Genever New York ever entered 11 into a contract other than its contracts with 12 The Sherry-Netherland Hotel? 13 A. I don't know. 14 Q. Has Genever New York ever spent or 15 disbursed any money? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. To whom? 18 A. The Sherry-Netherland. 19 Q. For maintenance fees? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Anything else? 22 A. I think that's it. 23 Q. Does The Sherry-Netherland -- has 24 Genever New York spent any money on anything 25 else other than to The Sherry-Netherland for

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2 maintenance fees? 3 A. Not that I know of. 4 Q.

Does the -- does Genever New York

5 have a bank account? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. With which bank? 8 A. Chase. 9 Q. When was that formed? 10 A. 2018. 11 Q.

Does the money from the -- do the

12 payments to The Sherry-Netherland come from 13 that bank account? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. How is that bank account funded? 16 A.

It receives money from Golden Spring

17 New York. 18 Q. Who owns Golden Spring New York? 19 A.

China Golden Spring Group Hong Kong

20 Limited. 21 Q.

Who owns China Golden Spring Group

22 Hong Kong Limited? 23 A. Guo Qiang. 24 Q.

Does Mr. Kwok have any interest in

25 China Golden Spring Group Hong Kong Limited?

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question. 4 A. No. 5 Q.

Before 2018, did Genever New York

6 have a bank account? 7 A. Before what year? 8 Q. 2018. 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q.

Did Genever New York have to pay

11 maintenance to The Sherry-Netherland before 12 2018? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Where did that money come from? 15 A.

I believe it came from Golden Spring

16 New York. 17 Q.

Has anyone, other than Golden Spring

18 New York, ever put any money into Genever New 19 York's bank account? 20 A. I don't know. 21 Q.

So, to your knowledge, Genever New

22 York did not have any bank account prior to 23 2018? 24 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

25 the question.

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2 A. I don't know. 3 Q.

Do you know why Genever New York

4 formed a bank account in 2018? 5 A. I don't know. 6 Q.

Has any money ever been deposited

7 into Genever New York's bank account other than 8 money from Golden Spring that was meant to pay 9 the maintenance to The Sherry-Netherland hotel? 10 A. I don't know. 11 Q.

Genever New York and Genever BVI are

12 parties to this lawsuit. 13 You're aware of that? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q.

And Genever New York and Genever BVI

16 were represented by the Hodgson Russ firm up 17 until a few weeks ago; is that right? 18 A. That's correct. 19 Q.

And now they are represented by

20 Mr. Mitchell's firm; is that correct? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q.

Who was paying Genever New York and

23 Genever BVI's legal fees to Hodgson Russ? 24 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

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2 A. I don't know. 3 Q.

Who is paying Genever BVI and

4 Genever New York's legal fees to Mr. Mitchell's 5 firm? 6 MR. MITCHELL:

I'm going to instruct

7 him not to answer, privilege. 8 MR. MOSS:

Who pays the bills is

9 privileged?

10 DI

MR. MITCHELL: Potentially.

I'm

11 asserting privilege.

You can make the

12 argument it's not. 13 Q.

Are you going to follow your

14 counsel's instruction? 15 A.

I will follow my counsel's

16 instruction. 17 Q.

Do you know whether Mr. Kwok is

18 paying Genever BVI and Genever New York's legal 19 fees in connection with this lawsuit? 20 A. He's not. 21 Q. But you don't know who is? 22 A. No. 23 Q.

Mr. Kwok and Genever New York sued

24 The Sherry-Netherland Hotel a few years ago in 25 a dispute relating to maintenance of his

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2 terrace.

3 Does that sound familiar? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q.

And Mr. Kwok and Genever New York

6 were represented by the same law firm -- 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. -- in that lawsuit? 9 Who paid that law firm's legal fees? 10 A. I don't know. 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Just for

12 clarification of the record, do you have 13 the name of the firm?

Just because it's 14 not my firm, I don't believe it was

15 Hodgson Russ, I just want to make sure -- 16 when you say the same firm, you mean they 17 both had the same attorney, not that it 18 was one of either of our firms, correct? 19 MR. MOSS: Correct. 20 Q.

So I don't know -- do you know the

21 name of the firm? 22 A.

That represented Genever and

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2 A. I think it was Stone Magnanini. 3 Q.

Do you know who was paying Stone

4 Magnanini's legal fees for Genever New York? 5 A. I don't know. 6 Q.

Do you know whether or not Stone

7 Magnanini was paid legal fees from one person 8 or entity or from two people or entities in 9 connection with that lawsuit? 10 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form. 11 A. I don't know. 12 Q.

In other words, did the same person

13 or entity pay the legal fees for both Mr. Kwok 14 and Genever in The Sherry-Netherland lawsuit? 15 A. I don't know. 16 Q.

Does the same person or entity pay

17 the legal fees for Mr. Kwok and both Genever 18 entities in this lawsuit?

19 DI

MR. MITCHELL:

I instruct my client

20 not to answer. 21 MR. MOSS:

That's a yes-or-no

22 question. 23 Q.

Does the same person or entity pay

24 the legal fees for both Mr. Kwok and Genever 25 entities in this lawsuit?

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

That one, you can

3 answer. 4 A. I don't know. 5 Q.

Has Genever BVI been the sole

6 shareholder of Genever New York for the 7 entirety of Genever New York's existence? 8 A. No, that's not accurate. 9 Q. Why not? 10 A. Genever New York is an LLC.

It has

11 members. It doesn't have shareholders. 12 Q.

Has Genever BVI been the sole member

13 of Genever New York for the entirety of Genever 14 New York's existence? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Does Mr. Kwok control Genever BVI? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Who does? 19 A. Guo Qiang. 20 Q.

Does Mr. Kwok control Genever New

21 York? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Who does? 24 A. Guo Qiang. 25 Q.

Mr. Kwok does not control Genever

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2 BVI, even though he's the sole director and the 3 sole shareholder? 4 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

5 the question, asked and answered. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

Does Zhang Wei have any role with

8 respect to Genever New York? 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q.

Does Zhang Wei own any of the

11 membership interests of Genever New York? 12 A.

That's not reflected from the

13 documents I reviewed in preparation for today. 14 Q.

Does Genever New York have any

15 directors? 16 A. No, I don't think so. 17 Q. Has it ever had any directors?

"It"

18 being Genever New York? 19 A.

I think it has just an authorized

20 person and its sole member.

Other than that,

21 no. 22 Q. The sole member is Genever BVI? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Who's the authorized person? 25 A. Guo Qiang.

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2 Q. Have there ever been any other

3 authorized persons for Genever New York other 4 than Guo Qiang? 5 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

6 the question. 7 A. Other than the attorneys that were 8 referenced in the resolutions in the formation 9 in the purchase of The Sherry, no.

10 Q. Does Genever New York have any

11 offices? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Has it ever had any offices? 14 A. No.

15 Q. Does Genever New York have any

16 employees? 17 A. No. 18 Q. Has Genever New York ever had any 19 employees? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Does Genever New York have a phone 22 number? 23 A. I don't know. 24 Q. Since Genever New York does not have 25 any directors, I assume it's never had a board

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2 meeting; is that right? 3 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form. 4 A.

That was not reflected from the 5 documents that I reviewed for today's

6 preparation. 7 Q.

Does Genever New York have any

8 address? 9 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

10 the question. 11 A. 781 Fifth Avenue. 12 Q. And what is that? 13 A. That's The Sherry-Netherland. 14 Q. Genever New York's -- strike that.

15 Is the 18th floor part of the

16 address? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q.

So Genever New York's address is the

19 apartment that Mr. Kwok lives in on the 18th 20 floor of The Sherry-Netherland? 21 A.

That's the mailing address for

22 Genever New York. 23 Q. Does it have any other addresses? 24 A. Not that I'm aware of.

Actually,

25 there might be an address for its registered

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2 agent for service of process in Albany, but 3 other than that, I'm not aware of any. 4 Q.

Other than the address for a

5 registered agent, Genever New York does not

6 have any addresses apart from The

7 Sherry-Netherland Hotel? 8 A. No, not that I'm aware of. 9 Q.

Does Genever New York possess any

10 documents? 11 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

12 the question. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Where are they maintained? 15 A.

I believe in The Sherry-Netherland,

16 but I'm not -- I don't know for sure. 17 Q.

Are any of the Genever New York's --

18 are any of Genever New York's documents 19 maintained in -- at the British Virgin Islands 20 address where Genever BVI's documents are held? 21 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

22 the question. 23 A. I don't know. 24 Q.

Are Genever -- are any Genever BVI

25 documents maintained at The Sherry-Netherland?

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2 A. I don't know. 3 Q.

What documents does Genever New York

4 possess? 5 A.

Its corporate formation documents,

6 its stock register, the mail it receives. 7 Q.

Are there any people who are

8 authorized to act on behalf of Genever New 9 York? 10 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

11 the question, asked and answered. 12 A.

You mean other than Mr. Kwok and his

13 son? 14 Q.

Well, so is Mr. Kwok authorized to

15 act on behalf of Genever New York? 16 A. Mr. Kwok? I don't know. 17 Q.

Is Guo Qiang authorized to act on

18 behalf of Genever New York? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Who authorized him to do that? 21 A. He was authorized by Genever BVI. 22 Q.

And did Mr. Kwok, as the sole

23 director and sole shareholder of Genever BVI, 24 authorize Genever BVI to authorize Guo Qiang to 25 act on behalf of Genever New York? Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 102 of 140

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2 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

3 the question. 4 A. I would assume so.

I don't know for

5 certain, but I know that, in or around 6 May 2015, Guo Qiang was made an authorized 7 person for Genever New York. 8 Q.

What assets does Genever New York

9 hold? 10 A.

It owns the shares in The

11 Sherry-Netherland Corporation and it has a bank 12 account with JPMorgan Chase. 13 Q.

And that's the bank account that's

14 funded by Golden Spring New York whose purpose 15 is to hold the money to pay the maintenance 16 fees for The Sherry-Netherland? 17 A.

The bank account's purpose, I don't

18 know if it's to hold the money, but it is -- 19 the bank account is used to pay the maintenance 20 for Genever New York. 21 Q.

And you can't identify any other

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2 Q.

Has Genever New York ever held any

3 other assets -- by the way, strike that.

4 What's the most money that's ever

5 been in that JPMorgan account, that Chase 6 account for Genever New York? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A. I don't know. 10 Q. Any sense? 11 A. Not really, no. 12 Q. More than \$3 million? 13 A.

The monthly maintenance for The

14 Sherry is about 60,000.

So, you know, enough

15 to cover that every month. 16 Q.

Has Genever New York ever held any

17 other assets besides the Chase account and the 18 ownership in The Sherry-Netherland? 19 A. I don't know. 20 Q.

Has Genever New York ever sold any

21 assets? 22 A. Not that I'm aware of. 23 Q.

Are you aware of any acquisitions

24 other than the bank account and the shares of 25 The Sherry-Netherland?

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2 A.

It's not reflected in the documents

3 I reviewed for today. 4 Q.

Other than Justice Ostrager's order,

5 are any of -- is Genever New York encumbered in 6 any way? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A.

There is a trust agreement between

10 Genever New York and Bravo Luck, Mr. Kwok and 11 Genever BVI, I believe, that involves The 12 Sherry-Netherland residence, but other than 13 that, and Justice Ostrager's order, I'm not 14 aware of any other encumbrances. 15 Q.

Are you aware of whether Genever New

16 York's assets have ever been encumbered in the 17 past other than the trust agreement and Justice 18 Ostrager's order? 19 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

20 the question. 21 A.

I would say the pledge agreements we

22 discussed earlier to Roscalitar 2 and Blue 23 Capital.

Other than that, I'm not aware of

24 any.

25 (Podhaskie Exhibit 9, Declaration of

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2 Trust and Agreement, marked for 3 identification.)

4 Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, you have been landed

5 Exhibit 9.

6 Is this the trust agreement that you

7 have been referring to relating to Bravo Luck 8 and the Genever entities? 9 A.

(Document review.) Yes, this

10 appears to be a copy of that trust agreement. 11 Q. It's dated February 17, 2015. 12 Is that when it was entered into? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.

If you look at the bottom on the

15 left-hand side, do you know whose signature 16 that is? I'm sorry.

The bottom of the first

17 page, 543. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Whose is it? 20 A. Guo Qiang. 21 Q.

How about on the right-hand side,

22 whose signature is that? 23 A.

I don't know for certain, but it

24 looks like Mr. Kwok's. 25 Q.

And on page 544, is it same thing,

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2 Guo Qiang's signature is on the left and 3 Mr. Kwok's is on the right? 4 A. It appears so, yes. 5 Q.

And on page 545, is Guo Qiang's the

6 first signature and Mr. Kwok's are the next 7 three? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question. 10 A.

You mean the three below the other

11 three signatures besides Guo Qiang's? 12 Q. Yes. 13 A. Yes, it appears so. 14 Q.

Guo Qiang signed on behalf of Bravo

15 Luck Limited; is that right? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q.

And Mr. Kwok signed on behalf of

18 Genever New York, Genever BVI and Mr. Kwok, 19 himself, right? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q.

Do you know whether or not 22 counsel -- there was any counsel who

23 represented any of the parties in connection 24 with this agreement? 25 A. I don't know.

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2 Q.

Do you know where this agreement was

3 maintained? 4 A. I don't know. 5 Q.

So I want to direct your attention

6 down in the background section.

7 Number 2 -- first of all, do you see

8 at the top, when it defines the parties, the 9 BVI company is Genever Holdings Corporation? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q.

That's the company we have been

12 referring to as Genever BVI, right? 13 A. Yes, I believe so. 14 Q.

And the company, Genever Holdings

15 LLC, which you and I have been referring to as 16 Genever New York, is referred to in this 17 document as the US SPV; is that right? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q.

And SPV stands for special purpose

20 vehicle; is that right? 21 A. I believe so, yes. 22 Q.

And if you look in the background,

23 number 2, it says, "The purpose of the BVI 24 company," which is Genever BVI, "is a special

25 purpose vehicle holding the US SPV."

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2 Do you see that? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q.

And the US SPV is Genever New York,

5 right? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q.

So according to this document, the

8 purpose of Genever BVI is to hold Genever New 9 York, right? 10 A. That's what this says, yes. 11 Q. Is that accurate? 12 A.

That's one of the purposes, as I

13 understand it, yes. 14 Q.

And in number 3, "The purpose of the

15 US SPV," that's Genever New York, right? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q.

So "The purpose of Genever New York

18 is a special purpose vehicle holding a property 19 situated at," and then it has several units on 20 the 18th floor at The Sherry-Netherland." 21 Is that right? 22 A. That's what it says, yes. 23 Q.

So the purpose of Genever New York

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2 A. That's one of the purposes, yes. 3 Q.

The document doesn't say it's one of

4 the purposes. It says it's the purpose, right? 5 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form. 6 A.

The document says that the US SPV is

7 a special purpose vehicle holding a property 8 situated at, and it references the 18th floor 9 of The Sherry-Netherland. 10 Q.

You said one of the purposes was to

11 hold the apartment, and I'm just saying the 12 document says the purpose of the US SPV, right? 13 Not one of the purposes. 14 A. Yes. 15 Q.

And it says the purpose of the BVI

16 Company is to hold Genever New York, not one of 17 the purposes, right? 18 A. Right.

But it's one of the

19 purposes. 20 Q.

And it says, in number 4, that "For

21 the avoidance of doubt, the trustee is holding 22 the BVI Company and the US SPV," those are the 23 two Genever entities, right? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q.

"The trustee is holding the Genever

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2 entities in trust for the owner." 3 And the owner is Bravo Luck; is that

4 correct? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q.

And it says that the owner, which is

7 Bravo Luck, is a beneficial owner of New 8 York -- Genever New York and Genever BVI," 9 right? 10 A. That's what it says, yes. 11 Q.

Is that consistent with Genever's

12 understanding? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q.

Did Genever New York or Mr. Kwok

15 ever disclose to The Sherry-Netherland, when it 16 was applying for the lease, that Bravo Luck was 17 going to be the beneficial owner of the Genever 18 entities? 19 A. I don't know. 20 Q.

You think The Sherry-Netherland

21 would have wanted to know who the beneficial 22 owner of the apartment was going to be? 23 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

24 the question, calls for speculation. 25 Q. You can answer.

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2 A.

I don't know what The

3 Sherry-Netherland would have wanted to know, 4 but I know that they knew the money came from 5 Bravo Luck. 6 Q.

Did you, in the course of your

7 review of documents to prepare for this 8 deposition, did you see any document evidencing 9 that The Sherry-Netherland knew that Bravo Luck 10 was going to be the beneficial owner of the 11 apartment? 12 A.

I didn't see anything in my

13 preparation for today. 14 Q.

See there are covenants by the

15 trustee in Section 3? See those covenants? 16 A. Are we still on page 1? 17 Q. Sorry.

Section 3, "The trustee 18 further covenants with the owner."

19 Do you see that? 20 A. Oh. Yes, yes, yes. 21 Q.

And you see on the first page that

22 the trustee is Mr. Kwok? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q.

So take a look at 3.4, "The trustee

25 covenants that it will not create or allow to

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be created any charge, mortgage or lien on the

BVI company, the US SPV and/or assets held by

the BVI company and/or the US SPV unless with

the prior written approval of the owner and the

co-owners."

Do you see that?

A. Yes.

Q.

The pledges to Blue Capital and
Roscalitar 2 would require prior written

approval of the owner and the co-owners under

this agreement; is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. And the owner is Bravo Luck?

A. Yes.

Q. And who are the co-owners?

The

co-owners, if you look at background, page 1,

543, Section 6, "The owner made known to the

trustee that certain parties" -- "third parties

may co-own the property through the owner in

accordance with the co-operation plan and the

trustee is also acting as a trustee for those

third parties."
Do you know who those co-owner third

parties are?

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2 A. I don't know. 3 Q.

Did --

4 A. I'm sorry.

I don't know who the

5 co-owners are.

The owner is defined as Bravo

6 Luck. 7 Q. Yes.

Did Mr. Kwok, the trustee, get

8 prior written approval of the owner, Bravo 9 Luck, or any of the co-owners before pledging 10 the shares of Genever BVI to either Roscalitar 11 2 or Blue Capital? 12 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

13 the question. 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q.

Have you seen any documents

16 suggesting that such written approval was 17 obtained? 18 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

19 the question. 20 A.

I didn't see any in my preparation

21 for today. 22 Q.

As of early 2015, when Mr. Kwok was

23 applying to The Sherry-Netherland board, who 24 owned Bravo Luck? 25 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

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2 the question. 3 A.

I think, as of January 2015, Bravo

4 Luck was owned by Guo Qiang. 5 Q.

Isn't it true that Mr. Kwok,

6 himself, was also a 50 percent owner of Bravo 7 Luck? 8 A.

I think Guo Qiang transferred

9 50 percent of the ownership in Bravo Luck to 10 his father around that time. 11 Q.

By the way, what business is Guo

12 Qiang in? 13 A. Finance.

14 (Podhaskie Exhibit 10, Letter from

15 Stevenson Wong dated March 4, 2015, marked

16 for identification.)

17 Q.

Mr. Podhaskie, you have been handed

18 Exhibit 10, which is a letter from Stevenson 19 Wong dated March 4, 2015, to the board of 20 directors of The Sherry-Netherland, regarding 21 the application of Mr. Kwok Ho Wan to become a 22 shareholder of The Sherry-Netherland, Inc., 23 Bravo Luck Limited, the company. 24 Do you see that? 25 A. Yes. Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 115 of 140

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2 Q.

Was Stevenson Wong representing

3 Mr. Kwok in connection with his application to 4 become a shareholder of The Sherry-Netherland? 5 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

6 the question.

7 And, additionally, this is outside

8 of the scope of the 30(b)(6) notice.

If 9 he has knowledge, I will allow him to

10 answer, but note my objection for the 11 record. 12 MR. MOSS:

Well, Genever New York 13 was a --

14 MR. MITCHELL:

If you're asking

15 about Genever New York.

You asked 16 specifically about Mr. Kwok, who his

17 attorney was. 18 MR. MOSS: Sure.

But Mr. Kwok was 19 buying this on behalf of an entity,

20 Genever New York. 21 MR. MITCHELL:

Are you asking about

22 the entity? 23 BY MR. MOSS: 24 Q.

I'm asking, what was Stevenson

25 Wong's role -- who was Stevenson Wong

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2 representing in connection with The

3 Sherry-Netherland application? 4 A. I don't know.

Based on this letter,

5 it appears they were representing Mr. Kwok or 6 his family, but I don't know. 7 Q.

If you look at page -- the second

8 page, SN74, Stevenson Wong writes, "We confirm 9 that, A, the company," which is defined on the 10 previous page as Bravo Luck, "is legally and 11 beneficially owned as to 50 percent by Mr. Kwok 12 Ho Wan and 50 percent by Mr. Guo Qiang,

13 respectively."

14 Do you see that? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q.

Is it correct that, as of March 4,

17 2015, Mr. Kwok owned 50 percent of Bravo Luck? 18 A. That is what this letter reflects. 19 I was not prepared to talk about the ownership 20 of Bravo Luck today. 21 Q.

Do you have any reason to believe

22 that this document is inaccurate? 23 A. No. 24 Q.

Do you know whether or not Bravo

25 Luck -- do you know whether or not Mr. Kwok's

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2 ownership interest in Bravo Luck has increased 3 or decreased or stayed the same since March 4, 4 2015? 5 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

6 the question.

Again, I think this is

7 outside the scope.

I will allow him to 8 answer if he has the knowledge, but

9 A.

I understand that Guo Qiang is

10 currently the 100 percent owner of Bravo Luck. 11 Q.

Do you understand how it came to be

12 that Mr. Kwok lost his 50 percent? 13 MR. MITCHELL: Same objection. 14 A. I don't know. 15 Q. Do you know when that happened? 16 MR. MITCHELL: Same objection. 17 A. I don't know. 18 Q.

Have you seen any documents relating

19 to that transfer? 20 MR. MITCHELL: Same objection. 21 A.

Not in my preparation for today's

22 deposition. 23 MR. MOSS:

Why don't we take a break

24 now? Let's go off the record. 25 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

We are now off

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**1 PODHASKIE 2 the record. The time is 5:27 p.m. 3 (Recess taken.) 4 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now back 5 on the record. The time is 5:36 p.m. 6 BY MR. MOSS: 7 Q. Mr. Podhaskie, you've answered a lot 8 of questions today saying yes or no based on 9 the documents I had access to in my review. 10 Did you have access to Genever New 11 York and Genever BVI's full set of files? 12 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 13 the question. 14 I don't know that that's exactly 15 what he said, but I know you're 16 paraphrasing, but... 17 MR. MOSS: Okay. 18 A. Whatever they had, I reviewed, so. 19 Q. Did you ever ask to see any 20 documents that weren't provided to you? 21 MR. MITCHELL: Object to the form of 22 the question. 23 A. No. 24 Q. Do you have any reason to believe 25 that there were documents missing from your**

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2 review? 3 A. I don't know.

There's no reason for

4 me to think anything was missing, I don't know. 5 Q.

Did you say any document referencing

6 the fact that Guo Qiang has control of Genever 7 BVI? 8 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

9 the question. 10 A.

There's a document that indicates

11 he's the president of Genever BVI.

Other than

12 that, no. 13 Q.

Do you know whether or not that

14 document was produced to us in this litigation? 15 A. I don't know.

I believe it was, but

16 I don't know. 17 Q.

Did you ever see any document

18 providing that Genever BVI authorized Guo Qiang 19 to act on behalf of Genever New York? 20 A.

There was a document that Guo Qiang

21 became the authorized person of Genever New 22 York.

I don't recall who executed it or what,

23 but I remember seeing a document that indicated 24 he was the authorized person, and Guo Qiang, he 25 signed an application for an EIN for Genever

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2 New York. 3 Q.

Have you ever seen any document or

4 did you see any document in the course of your 5 review providing that Yvette Wang had any role 6 with Genever BVI or Genever New York? 7 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

8 the question. 9 A.

I know that she signed an affidavit

10 in connection with the litigation that made

11 statements about Genever and The

12 Sherry-Netherland.

Other than that, I don't

13 recall. 14 Q.

Do you know where she obtained the

15 information she put in her affidavit relating 16 to Genever and The Sherry-Netherland? 17 MR. MITCHELL:

Object to the form of

18 the question, and I think this is outside 19 the scope of the 30(b)(6).

20 If he has the knowledge, I'm glad to

21 let him answer. 22 MR. MOSS: Okay. 23 A. I don't know. 24 MR. MOSS:

Nothing further at this

25 time. Thank you, Mr. Podhaskie.

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**1 PODHASKIE 2 MR. MITCHELL: Just before you start 3 going off the record, I just have a couple 4 questions for Mr. Podhaskie, just to 5 clarify the record. 6 MR. MOSS: Sure. 7 EXAMINATION BY 8 MR. MITCHELL: 9 Q. Mr. Podhaskie, you were provided 10 with a number of exhibits today. One of those 11 exhibits was Podhaskie 3 -- Exhibit 3, rather. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. If you'll note, these were 14 identified, when questions were asked, by Bates 15 stamps number, Kwok, and then a number. 16 Do you see that? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Looking now at Podhaskie -- is it 19 your understanding that these documents were 20 produced by Mr. Kwok's attorney in relation to 21 this litigation? 22 MR. MOSS: Objection, leading. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Looking at Exhibit Podhaskie 4, do 25 you see any such Bates stamps?** Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 122 of 140

1 PODHASKIE

2 A. No. 3 Q.

Prior to today, do you have any

4 recollection of seeing this document? 5 MR. MOSS: What document? 6 MR. MITCHELL:

Exhibit 4 that we're

7 talking about. 8 MR. MOSS: Okay. 9 A.

I think I may have seen it as one of

10 the documents that was filed in connection with 11 the litigation, but other than that, no. 12 Q.

Have you seen -- in your review of

13 the documents, Genever BVI and Genever New York 14 as they have been referred to here today, in 15 reviewing in preparation for this deposition, 16 did you see those documents within their 17 records? 18 MR. MOSS: Objection to the form. 19 A. Did I see Exhibit 4? 20 Q. Exhibit 4, correct. 21 MR. MOSS:

I don't know what "those

22 documents" mean. 23 Q.

Exhibit 4, this set of pages that is

24 Exhibit 4. 25 A.

So did I see Exhibit 4 in connection

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2 with the documents I reviewed in connection for 3 today's deposition? 4 Q. Correct. 5 A.

I saw it in connection with -- if I

6 recall, I saw it in connection with the filings 7 that were made in the New York litigation. 8 Q.

Was it contained within the records

9 that you reviewed in preparation for today? 10 A.

The records maintained by Genever

11 New York? 12 Q. Correct. 13 A. And Genever BVI? I don't think so. 14 Q.

Exhibit 5, do you see a Bates stamp

15 on that document? 16 A.

(Document review.)

No. 17 Q.

Now, this document appears to have 18 been filed in the litigation or in a

19 litigation, anyway.

I believe that's the

20 docket number in this case. 21 A. Yes, it appears so. 22 Q.

Do you recall seeing this document

23 before today? 24 A.

Again, I think I may have seen this

25 when I reviewed the litigation file as

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2 something that was filed in the litigation. 3 Q. Do you recall seeing this document 4 within the books and records maintained by 5 Genever New York? 6 A. I don't recall, no. 7 Q. How about Genever BVI? 8 A. I don't recall. 9 Q. Exhibit 6, which is the memorandum? 10 A. Yes.

11 Q. Do you see any Bates stamps on

12 there?

13 A. (Document review.)

No. 14 Q. But there is a docket filing number, 15 correct? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Do you recall seeing this document 18 in the books and records maintained by Genever 19 New York? 20 A. Exhibit 6? 21 Q. Correct. 22 A. No. 23 Q. Genever BVI? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Exhibit 7, do you see a Bates stamp

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**1 PODHASKIE 2 number on this document, when you find it? 3 A. (Document review.) No. 4 Q. Do you know -- up top, do you see 5 that it was filed in this proceeding in the 6 eCourt's filing system? 7 A. By "the proceeding," you're 8 referring to the litigation? 9 Q. Correct. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. In your review of Genever New York's 12 books and records, do you recall seeing this 13 document? 14 A. I don't recall. 15 Q. In your review of Genever BVI's 16 books and records, do you recall seeing this 17 document? 18 A. I don't recall. 19 Q. Exhibit 8, do you see a Bates stamp 20 number on here? 21 A. No. 22 Q. And Exhibit 8, at the top, do you 23 see -- would you agree that it was filed in New 24 York County Clerk in this litigation? 25 MR. MOSS: Objection, leading.**

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1 PODHASKIE

2 A. Yes. 3 Q.

And prior to today, do you recall

4 seeing this document? 5 A.

I think I would have seen it in

6 connection with my review of the litigation 7 file. 8 Q.

In your review of the Genever New

9 York books and records, do you recall seeing 10 this document? 11 A. I don't recall. 12 Q.

And in your review of the books and

13 records for Genever BVI, do you recall seeing 14 this document? 15 A. I don't recall. 16 MR. MITCHELL: No further questions. 17 MR. MOSS: No questions. 18 MR. SARNOFF: Thank you. 19 THE VIDEOGRAPHER:

This concludes

20 today's deposition.

We are now going off

21 the record. The time is 5:46 p.m.

Thank

22 you. 23 (Time noted:

5:46 p.m.)

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1 A C K N O W L E D G M E N T
3 STATE OF ) 4 :ss 5 COUNTY OF )
7 I, DANIEL PODHASKIE, hereby certify

8 that I have read the transcript of my testimony 9 taken under oath in my deposition; that the 10 transcript is a true, complete and correct 11 record of my testimony, and that the answers on 12 the record as given by me are true and correct.

16 ________________________ 17 DANIEL PODHASKIE
20 Signed and subscribed to before me

21 this _______ day of ______________, ____.

24 ________________________________________

25 Notary Public, State of ___________

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**1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF NEW YORK ) 4 :ss 5 COUNTY OF RICHMOND) 6 7 I, MELISSA GILMORE, a Notary Public 8 within and for the State of New York, do hereby 9 certify: 10 That DANIEL PODHASKIE, the witness 11 whose deposition is hereinbefore set forth, was 12 duly sworn by me and that such deposition is a 13 true record of the testimony given by such 14 witness. 15 I further certify that I am not 16 related to any of the parties to this action by 17 blood or marriage; and that I am in no way 18 interested in the outcome of this matter. 19 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto 20 set my hand this 16th day of December, 2019. 21 22 23 24 \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ 25 MELISSA GILMORE**

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* ERRATA SHEET * ELLEN GRAUER COURT REPORTING CO., LLC 126 East 56th Street, Fifth Floor New York, New York 10022 212-750-6434 DATE OF DEPOSITION: DECEMBER 11, 2019 LINE FROM TO REASON

____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________ ____ _____ ___________ ___________ _____________

Subscribed and sworn before me

this____day of__________,20__.

(Notary Public)

My Commission Expires:

NAME OF CASE: PACIFIC ALLIANCE v. KWOK HO WAN

NAME OF WITNESS: DANIEL PODHASKIE PAGE

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DANIEL PODHASKIE December 11, 2019

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maintained (14)

84:17,18;94:12; 18,25;113:5,14,21; 22,24;18:7,13,21,25; oath (2) 39:25;40:7;56:15; 95:20,22 115:5,13,16,20; 19:6,9,13;24:11;26:6, 6:15;125:9 57:13;64:3,16;69:21; members (1) 116:12,21;117:8; 9;43:7,19;44:6,11,13, Object (107) 98:14,19,25;105:3; 94:11 118:7,17;119:2,8; 16;46:2,4,6,6,13;47:4, 10:7;11:11;17:25; 121:10;122:4,18 membership (1) 120:6;124:16 8,11,14,20,24;48:4, 18:9;19:14;21:15; maintaining (1) 95:11 Mitchell's (2) 20;49:6,9;50:2,6,25; 23:8;24:22;25:17,23; 36:9 Memorandum (3) 90:20;91:4 51:9,10;56:14;63:11; 26:11;27:9;30:9;31:3, maintains (3) 58:3,8;122:9 Monday (1) 68:19;71:6;72:14; 13;34:3,18;39:4,10,

16:20;35:22;66:13 mentioned (3) 16:3 73:15;74:4;76:10; 17;40:16;41:4,12,17, maintenance (9) 20:14;37:5;50:18 money (24) 77:13,23;78:14; 24;42:10;44:7;46:8, 87:19;88:2;89:11; mentioning (1) 27:7,15,19,21;28:4, 80:12,14;81:3,8,11, 15;47:5,17;48:5,11; 90:9;91:25;100:15, 28:20 9;30:18;31:22;32:6,8, 11,19,19;82:8,9,16, 49:3,11,22;50:7,15, 19,23;101:13 mentions (1) 9;42:7;87:15,24; 24;83:8,11,14,18; 21;51:14,25;57:19; management (1) 45:15 88:11,16;89:14,18; 84:10,19;85:3,7,11, 59:19;60:2,13,21; 14:11 Michael (2) 90:6,8;100:15,18; 11,17;86:9,16,23; 61:10;62:17;63:13; March (11) 81:23;82:2 101:4;109:4 87:4,10,14,24;88:4, 64:19;65:8;66:20; 57:6,18,22;59:23; mid (1) month (1) 17,18;89:5,10,16,18, 67:6;68:9,15,21; 61:18;62:13;63:8; 71:25 101:15 18,21;90:3,7,11,15, 69:17,23;70:15,24; 112:15,19;114:16; middle (1) monthly (1) 22;91:4,18,23;92:5; 71:8;72:17;73:22; 115:3 29:11 101:13 93:4;94:6,7,10,13,14, 74:6,12;76:4,25; marked (11) might (2) more (5) 20;95:8,11,14,18; 77:15;78:2,20;79:2, 9:17,20,25;20:8; 43:6;97:25 19:3;20:5;26:16; 96:3,10,15,18,21,24; 22;81:13;82:12,20;

55:4;56:20;58:5; Miles (6) 42:3;101:12 97:7,14,18,22;98:5,9, 83:2,21;86:11,19; 65:16;69:4;103:2; 11:18;21:22;28:16, Morristown (1) 17,18;99:3,8,15,18, 89:2,24;90:24;93:10; 112:15 22;77:19;78:19 3:6 25;100:7,8,14,20; 95:4;96:5;97:3,9; marking (2) million (1) mortgage (1) 101:2,6,16,20;102:5, 98:11,21;99:10; 20:9,11 101:12 110:2 10,15;104:18;105:16; 100:2;101:7;102:7, marks (1) minutes (2) MOSS (34) 106:4,8,15,17,23; 19;104:8;107:5; 74:25 74:21;85:22 8:7;12:4,6;13:5; 107:16;108:7,8,14; 108:23;111:12,18,25; math (1) missing (2) 20:11;43:9;56:12; 113:12,15,20;116:10; 113:5;115:5;116:12, 30:11 116:25;117:4 62:8;65:23;73:7; 117:19,21;118:2,6; 21;117:8;118:7,17 matter (1) mistaken (1) 74:17;75:4;78:9; 120:13;121:7,11; Objection (12) 7:6 59:23 79:23;81:16;91:8; 122:5,19;123:11,23; 62:2,24;63:4;67:18; may (26) MITCHELL (141) 92:19;93:21;113:12, 124:8 78:8;113:10;115:13, 6:13;37:10,13,24; 3:3,7;10:7;11:11, 18,23;115:23;116:6, next (2) 16,20;119:22;120:18; 38:5,15;53:7;55:12; 20;13:3;17:25;18:9; 17;118:22,24;119:6, 29:7;104:6 123:25 57:6;59:5,14;60:12, 19:14;20:9;21:15; 22;120:5,8,18,21; nobody (1) objections (1) 23;61:5,15,22,25; 23:8;24:22;25:17,23; 123:25;124:17

31:11 6:9

62:11;63:3;75:7,8,9; 26:11;27:9;30:9;31:3, most (1) Notary (2) obtain (2) 100:6;110:20;120:9; 13;32:3;34:3,18;39:4, 101:4 8:2;125:25 46:5;54:3 121:24 10,17;40:10,16;41:4, Motion (2) note (2) obtained (2) Maybe (2) 12,17,24;42:10;43:3; 58:4,9 113:10;119:13 111:17;118:14 11:20;72:4 44:7;46:8,15;47:5,17; much (3) noted (1) O'Connor (3) mean (17) 48:5,11;49:3,11,22; 14:3,4;64:23 124:23 81:24;82:2,8 8:19;9:7;18:4;19:2, 50:7,15,21;51:14,25; notice (15) off (21) 7;34:20;42:3;49:13; 52:12;56:7;57:19; N 9:16,19;10:3,4,10, 35:24;53:5,9,13,22; 61:12,14;73:2;79:4,6; 59:19;60:2,13,21,24; 11;12:13;50:4;56:18, 54:20;57:18;67:22;

92:16;99:12;104:10; 61:10;62:2,17,24; name (4) 23;57:5;65:11;69:2,9; 68:3,5,7,12;70:4,6,9; 120:22 63:4,13;64:19;65:8, 7:14;13:4;92:13,21 113:8 71:16;74:22;115:24, meaning (1) 21;66:20;67:6,18; nature (1) noticed (1) 25;119:3;124:20 40:12 68:9,15,21;69:17,23; 63:18 13:18 office (10) meant (1) 70:15,24;71:8;72:17, necessary (2) notices (2) 16:21;34:21,21; 90:8 23;73:8,22;74:6,12; 46:4;80:23 11:15;63:16 35:2,3,5;36:4,7;40:2,8 meeting (5) 76:4,25;77:15;78:2,7, need (2) Number (19) officer (3) 39:3,12;42:6;53:15; 11,20;79:2,22;81:13; 14:4;20:3 7:10;10:2;36:21,22; 6:14;37:16;38:20 97:2 82:12,20;83:2,21; needed (1) 43:2;58:19;75:2; officers (6) meetings (2) 86:11,19;89:2,24; 27:19 96:22;105:7,23; 37:3,11;38:2,9,10, 15:8,10 90:24;91:6,10;92:11; New (191) 106:14;107:20; 24 Melissa (1) 93:10,19;94:2;95:4; 3:6;7:8,9;8:16,20; 119:10,15,15;121:20; offices (5) 7:18 96:5;97:3,9;98:11,21; 9:17;10:4,10;11:8,17; 122:14;123:2,20 7:12;34:17,20; member (13) 99:10;100:2;101:7; 13:19;14:8,10,12,14, 96:11,13

31:24;44:10;80:11,

13;81:3,7,10,18; 102:7,19;104:8; 107:5;108:23;111:12, 16,20;15:8,16;16:21,

21;17:2,8,14,16,18, O official (4)

17:21;18:20;19:5; PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P. VS. KWOK HO WAN Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 136 of 140

DANIEL PODHASKIE December 11, 2019

52:17 19;78:6,13,16; 64:22;78:12;93:8; 7:5;8:8;9:1,15,19, 55:16;70:8;109:7

once (2) 101:18;112:9;114:19; 99:7 24,25;10:1,2;11:1,22; prepared (5) 82:9,16 115:2 percent (9) 12:1;13:1;14:1;15:1; 10:20;11:4;17:7,11; one (27) owning (2) 51:5,8;112:6,9; 16:1;17:1;18:1;19:1, 114:19 8:12;11:14;14:6,6; 26:9;72:2 114:11,12,17;115:10, 20;20:1,6,10,13;21:1; preparing (1) 19:22,23;25:6,9;30:8; owns (13) 12 22:1,24;23:1;24:1; 12:9 40:21;47:4,15;58:22; 26:6,6;31:11;40:6; period (2) 25:1;26:1;27:1;28:1; PRESENT (3) 83:4;86:21;92:18; 52:25;54:10;74:3,4; 33:20;38:18 29:1,7;30:1;31:1; 3:12;16:8,11 93:7;94:2;106:12; 77:11;87:6;88:18,21; periods (1) 32:1;33:1;34:1;35:1; president (16) 107:2,3,10,13,16,18; 100:10 79:7 36:1;37:1;38:1;39:1; 15:11,12;34:15; 119:10;120:9 permit (1) 40:1;41:1;42:1;43:1; 37:8,9,13,25;38:5,10, only (5) P 46:4 44:1,20;45:1;46:1; 12,16,18;39:23;43:23, 33:17;34:12,14; person (17) 47:1;48:1;49:1;50:1; 25;117:11 56:10;73:2 Pacific (3) 13:2;27:8,11,13,16; 51:1;52:1;53:1;54:1; previous (1) oOo (1) 7:6;67:17;68:8 28:9;45:21;46:2;93:7, 55:1,3,6;56:1,18,23; 114:10 6:19 page (21) 12,16,23;95:20,24; 57:1;58:1,2,7;59:1; previously (1) Opportunity (1) 10:16,24;11:2; 100:7;117:21,24 60:1;61:1,8;62:1; 10:12 7:7 20:20,20;22:25;29:7; personal (1) 63:1;64:1;65:1,15,19; primary (3) Opposition (2) 44:20;58:16,19;80:8; 46:23 66:1;67:1;68:1;69:1, 79:5,10,19 58:3,9 84:23;103:17,25; personnel (2) 2,6;70:1;71:1;72:1; printout (1) order (8) 104:5;109:16,21; 14:10;17:8 73:1;74:1;75:1,5; 85:3 20:15;49:24;50:5; 110:17;114:7,8,10 persons (1) 76:1;77:1;78:1;79:1; prior (8) 58:4,10;102:4,13,18 pages (1) 96:3 80:1,7;81:1;82:1; 61:6;89:22;92:23; ordinary (8) 120:23 PHONE (5) 83:1;84:1;85:1;86:1; 110:5,10;111:8; 55:22;56:5,15; paid (6) 3:8;13:2;36:20,22; 87:1;88:1;89:1;90:1; 120:3;124:3 57:13;64:4,17;66:13; 27:7,15,23;30:17; 96:21 91:1;92:1;93:1;94:1; privilege (3) 69:21 92:9;93:7 Ping (1) 95:1;96:1;97:1;98:1; 12:3;91:7,11 organization (1) par (1) 75:6 99:1;100:1;101:1; privileged (1) 14:11 29:24 plaintiff (1) 102:1,25;103:1,4; 91:9 Ostrager (1) paragraph (5) 7:5 104:1;105:1;106:1; Probably (1) 49:25 22:10;58:17;75:20; Plaintiff's (2) 107:1;108:1;109:1; 67:2 Ostrager's (4) 80:10,23 58:4,9 110:1;111:1;112:1, proceeding (2) 50:5;102:4,13,18 paraphrasing (1) plan (5) 14,17;113:1;114:1; 123:5,7 out (2) 116:16 25:5,8,11;82:15; 115:1;116:1,7;117:1; process (4) 74:18;100:22 part (1) 110:21 118:1,25;119:1,4,9, 35:9,17;36:13;98:2 outside (6) 97:15 please (12) 11,18,24;120:1; produced (4) 12:2;63:14;65:10; particular (2) 7:24;10:14,15,23; 121:1;122:1;123:1; 19:22;22:20; 113:7;115:7;118:18 15:23;84:22 16:18;22:24;29:7,13; 124:1;125:7,17 117:14;119:20 over (1) parties (8) 45:2;52:14;57:3;69:7 point (3) promised (1) 86:23 6:5;90:12;104:23; pledge (32) 50:10;54:20;67:22 49:19 own (8) 105:8;110:19,19,23, 26:20,23;51:17,19, positive (1) properties (2) 24:7;32:14,20;51:4, 25 23;52:9,17;53:4,9,12, 82:6 25:13;42:14 8;73:25;84:15;95:10 party (1) 21;54:4,14,17,19,24; possess (2) property (5) owned (7) 59:10 55:10;57:17;59:22; 98:9;99:4 75:23;76:9;106:18; 32:10;52:21;59:10; past (2) 61:17;62:12;63:6; possible (1) 107:7;110:20 111:24;112:4;114:11, 16:3;102:17 64:25;66:3,9,19; 49:20 proprietary (3) 17 Paul (3) 67:10,16,22;70:4,9; Potentially (1) 68:13,19;77:3 owner (27) 45:19;82:4,5 102:21 91:10 provide (1) 29:23;30:25;44:5; PAX (1) pledged (21) Pre-Judgment (2) 50:4 72:3,5;84:5,7,12,19, 50:4 48:10,15,16;49:14; 58:5,10 provided (2) 21;108:2,3,6,7,17,22; pay (11) 50:12,19,23,25;51:4, preparation (30) 116:20;119:9 109:10,18;110:5,11, 27:19;28:5;30:13; 13;53:22,25;57:23; 12:18,21;16:14; provides (1) 14,18,20;111:5,8; 89:10;90:8;93:13,16, 59:8,17;61:4,16,23, 21:11;23:17;26:3; 29:22 112:6;115:10 23;100:15,19,23 25;62:11;63:3 27:3;28:3,11;29:20; providing (2) owners (1) paying (4) pledges (7) 30:24;32:17,23; 117:18;118:5 31:8 90:22;91:3,18;93:3 67:4;68:18;72:21; 38:14;39:14;45:4; Public (3) ownership (34) payments (2) 73:3,9,14;110:9 47:22;48:2,8;52:20; 8:3;85:4;125:25 14:9;32:18;46:17, 88:12;100:22 pledging (3) 53:19;57:10,25; publicly (4) 21;59:7;70:13,22; pays (1) 51:7,8;111:9 95:13;97:6;109:13; 60:5,16;65:2,7 71:6,11,13;72:13; 91:8 pm (7) 111:20;115:21; purchase (19) 73:12,20;74:3,10; pending (1) 9:23;74:23;75:3; 120:15;121:9 14:19;15:15;24:8; 75:15,21,25;76:6,7, 67:17 116:2,5;124:21,23 prepare (6) 25:3,4,7,9;31:23;32:6, 11,13,16,20,23;77:5, people (4) Podhaskie (157) 11:7;13:25;16:6; 12;42:13,18,20;

Min-U-Script® Ellen Grauer Court Reporting Co. LLC (7) once - purchase PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P. VS. KWOK HO WAN Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 137 of 140

43:14;71:23;82:10, 68:2,6;114:21; 11:24;67:15;112:20 15:18 40:2;78:4,12

17;84:2;96:9 116:24;117:3 register (2) Resolution (9) Roscalitar (30) purchased (1) recall (27) 39:21;99:6 20:22,25;21:9; 26:21;50:20,24; 24:16 14:21;18:15;43:23, registered (15) 39:22;52:16;53:16; 51:5,13,24;52:18,21; purchasing (1) 25;67:3,9;71:16; 27:22;28:5;33:12; 80:19;81:22,23 53:2,5,12,21;55:11; 42:15 75:14,18;85:19; 35:8,17;36:13,23; resolutions (1) 57:17,23;59:9,18,22; purpose (21) 117:22;118:13;121:6, 56:19,24;57:5;65:5; 96:8 61:5,16,25;62:11,13; 14:7;25:15,16; 22;122:3,6,8,17; 69:3,9;97:25;98:5 Resolved (1) 63:3,6;64:25;73:10; 41:10;82:23;86:22; 123:12,14,16,18; Registration (4) 80:19 102:22;110:10;

100:14,17;105:19,23, 124:3,9,11,13,15 55:4,18;65:16,25 respect (4) 111:10 25;106:8,14,17,18,23, receive (2) related (1) 20:17;77:21;78:18; Russ (8) 24;107:4,7,12,15 64:11,14 77:5 95:8 7:12;58:11;60:5,8, purposes (14) received (3) relates (3) respective (1) 17;90:16,23;92:15 25:21;28:19;83:4,5, 28:8;64:2,8 12:17;21:4;76:23 6:5 12;86:21,25;106:12; receives (2) relating (8) respectively (1) S 107:2,4,10,13,17,19 88:16;99:6 43:18;65:6;81:23; 114:13 Pursuant (2) Recess (2) 82:18;91:25;103:7; responsibility (1) same (18) 56:20,25 74:24;116:3 115:18;118:15 19:12 6:6,16;16:22;55:25; put (3) recollection (3) relation (1) restructured (1) 62:4;83:10;85:20; 55:12;89:18;118:15 13:24;85:21;120:4 119:20 70:22 92:6,16,17;93:12,16,

record (23) relationship (1) retained (2) 23;103:25;115:3,13, Q 7:22;9:23;11:21; 14:13 55:22;56:4 16,20 18:11;28:20;43:17; Release (7) review (28) Sanft (3) Qiang (64) 56:8;72:24;73:4; 56:19,24;57:5;60:4, 10:9;20:24;22:12; 45:15;80:19;82:7 11:18;12:23,25; 74:22;75:3;78:11; 16;69:3,9 44:25;53:10;55:9,19; S-A-N-F-T (1) 13:4,12,13,24;15:23; 80:15;92:12;113:11; released (3) 56:17;60:15;63:11; 45:16 16:2,9,12;23:25; 115:24;116:2,5; 61:17;62:13;63:7 65:24;66:10;85:2; SARNOFF (2) 28:22;32:11,11; 119:3,5;124:21; remember (5) 86:5;103:9;109:7; 86:4;124:18 34:14;36:11;37:5,13, 125:11,12 13:20;14:17,24; 116:9;117:2;118:5; Satisfaction (10) 25;38:4,10,12,17,24; records (17) 15:4;117:23 120:12;121:16; 56:19,24;57:5,9; 39:23;40:20,23;41:8, 11:16;35:22,25; removed (1) 122:13;123:3,11,15; 64:3,25;69:3,9,11,16 22;42:5;43:21;52:4; 36:8,10,15;40:7; 59:22 124:6,8,12 satisfied (1)

54:3;70:7;71:12,20; 61:19;120:17;121:8, replaced (1) reviewed (31) 67:23 72:5;78:24;79:15,25; 10;122:4,18;123:12, 33:18 11:14,16;21:11; saw (2) 83:25;84:7,16,21; 16;124:9,13 reporter (2) 23:17;28:11;29:20; 121:5,6 88:23;94:19,24; refer (4) 7:17,24 30:15,23;31:17; saying (2) 95:25;96:4;99:17,24; 8:15;9:3;28:21; representation (1) 32:17,22;33:5;38:13; 107:11;116:8 100:6;103:20;104:14; 61:6 61:3 39:6,14;44:17;45:3; scope (5) 112:4,8,12;114:12; referenced (1) representative (9) 47:21,25;48:7;52:19; 63:15;65:11;113:8; 115:9;117:6,18,20,24 96:8 8:9;9:16;10:3; 53:18;57:10,24; 115:7;118:19 Qiang's (7) references (1) 12:10,19;14:2;46:24; 95:13;97:5;102:3; sealing (1) 66:5;79:10,18; 107:8 77:24;78:15 116:18;121:2,9,25 6:5 84:11;104:2,5,11 referencing (1) representatives (1) reviewing (3) second (1)

117:5 42:17 42:14;43:20;120:15 114:7

R referred (2) represented (5) right (39) secretarial (2) 105:16;120:14 90:16,19;92:6,22; 8:13;17:8,9;22:14; 27:23;28:6 rather (1) referring (16) 104:23 29:4;30:8;53:8;61:16; secretary (1)

119:11 8:20;15:19;18:21; representing (3) 62:16;64:5;67:5,12; 33:11 read (2) 27:12;28:16,21,22,23; 113:2;114:2,5 70:4;77:9,14;83:9; Section (7) 22:8;125:8 42:23;60:25;76:15; request (9) 85:8,15;86:10;90:17; 23:5;56:20,25; reading (1) 85:7;103:7;105:12, 42:24;71:4,10,15, 97:2;104:3,15,19; 105:6;109:15,17; 22:9 15;123:8 19,21;72:7,9;73:11 105:12,17,20;106:5,9, 110:18 reads (1) refers (3) require (1) 15,21,25;107:4,12,17, security (2) 75:21 80:11,25;85:10 110:10 18,23;108:9;110:12 51:20;54:6 real (13) reflected (10) reserved (1) right-hand (1) seeing (12) 24:9,13,16,18,20, 25:25;30:16;32:18, 6:10 103:21 43:23;72:5;117:23; 25;42:19;75:23;76:9; 24;39:7,13;61:22; resided (1) role (20) 120:4;121:22;122:3, 83:6,12,15;84:15 95:12;97:4;102:2 79:6 16:25;17:4,14,16, 17;123:12,16;124:4,9, really (3) reflects (3) residence (12) 18,21,23;18:5,7,12, 13 42:2;56:10;101:11 18:11;22:18;114:18 14:19;15:7,15;26:7; 20,25;19:2,5,8;37:7; sell (1) reason (11) refresh (1) 50:3;51:22;72:2;79:5, 38:21;95:7;113:25; 50:3 85:21 10,19;102:12;106:25 118:5 sense (1) 9:11;21:24;22:19; 23:13;45:11;64:10; regarding (3) residences (1) room (3) 101:10 PACIFIC ALLIANCE ASIA OPPORTUNITY FUND L.P. VS. KWOK HO WAN Case 22-50073 Doc 1604-23 Filed 03/27/23 Entered 03/27/23 14:12:10 Page 138 of 140

DANIEL PODHASKIE December 11, 2019
sentence (4) 22:11;58:25;75:21; 33:20 showing (1)
80:22 85:23 sequential (1) shown (1) 20:15 56:2 service (4) shows (1) 35:9,17;36:13;98:2 85:6 services (3) side (2) 27:21,23;28:6 103:15,21 set (2) signature (9)

116:11;120:23 21:13,14,19,25; several (5) 45:7;103:15,22;

25:9,12;43:23; 104:2,6 78:12;106:19 signatures (1) shall (1) 104:11 6:10 signed (12)

share (4) 6:14,16;15:14; 29:16;30:7;39:20; 42:15,21,24;43:24; 78:13 104:14,17;117:25;

shareholder (12) 118:9;125:20 28:14;30:21;31:5, signing (1)

18;59:4;66:18;67:11;

94:6;95:3;99:23; 41:20 sit (1) 112:22;113:4 44:2 shareholders (3) sitting (2) 31:8;39:22;94:11 77:25;78:4 shares (30) situated (2) 29:23,23;30:14,18; 106:19;107:8 32:15,20;48:21,22,25; six (2) 50:24,25;51:3,4,5,8, 58:23;62:5 13,17,19,24;53:22,25; sleep (1) 54:5,14;76:13;77:12, 80:4 20;78:17;100:10; slept (1) 101:24;111:10 79:25 Sherry (7) slower (1) 42:13;43:14;71:24; 64:23 78:13;92:24;96:9; SN74 (1) 101:14 114:8 Sherry-Netherland (83) sold (2) 14:20;15:9,13; 48:3;101:20 24:14;25:14;26:7; sole (31)

31:23;32:7,13;42:18; 28:14;30:20,25; 50:3;68:20;70:21; 31:5;32:25;44:5,10; 71:5,7,11,14,23; 45:5;46:12;59:4; 72:10,15;73:12,16,20; 66:17,18;67:11,12; 74:2;76:2,8,12,14,17, 80:11,13,16;81:3,7, 20;77:8,12,20;78:17, 10,18;84:17,18;94:5, 25;79:9,18;80:2; 12;95:2,3,20,22;

82:11,18,25;83:16,20; 99:22,23

84:3,6,11,13,20;

86:18;87:6,12,18,23, someone (1) 71:24 25;88:12;89:11;90:9; somewhere (2) 91:24;93:14;97:13, 15:7;53:11 20;98:7,15,25;100:11, son (13) 16,24;101:18,25; 12:24;13:7;15:21,

102:12;106:20;107:9; 24;24:2;28:23;32:11; 108:15,20;109:3,9; 70:23;71:7,12;73:13;

111:23;112:20,22; 84:2;99:13 113:4;114:3;118:12, Sorry (10)

16 13:5;26:19;57:6; Sherry-Netherland's (1) 62:6;65:21;72:23; 68:13 74:17;103:16;109:17;

24;24:2;28:23;32:11; 70:23;71:7,12;73:13; 74:17;103:16;109:17; sound (1) 92:3 sounds (1) 53:10 speak (2) 12:25;13:7 special (5) 105:19,24;106:18, 24;107:7 specific (3) 14:25;19:3;42:4 specifically (3) 41:6;72:11;113:16 specify (1) 26:16 speculate (3) 32:4;40:11;52:14 speculating (4) 31:25;40:9;52:14; 79:13 speculation (1) 108:24 spent (4) 27:21;42:7;87:14, 24 spoke (7) 11:18,18,19;13:14; 15:10;16:5;70:8 Spring (9) 88:16,18,19,21,25; 89:15,17;90:8;100:14 SPV (10) 105:17,19,25; 106:4,15;107:6,12,22; 110:3,4 ss (1) 125:4 stamp (4) 75:8;121:14; 122:25;123:19 Stamped (4) 20:7,22;29:8;44:23 stamps (4) 19:24;119:15,25; 122:11 stands (1) 105:19 start (3) 10:15;12:7;119:2 starts (2) 58:17,25 State (6) 7:8;46:6;85:3,4; 125:3,25 statement (9) 59:24;60:9,11,18, 20,25;61:9,13;75:24 statements (1) 118:11 States (2) 24:19;25:2 stayed (1) 115:3

Stevenson (6) 112:15,18;113:2, 24,25;114:8 still (7) 34:10,11,12;38:12; 61:23;67:11;109:16 STIPULATED (3) 6:3,8,12 STIPULATIONS (1) 6:1 stock (1) 99:6 Stone (3) 93:2,3,6 stop (1) 38:17 stopped (1) 34:7 strike (11) 35:14;37:22;38:7; 44:14;50:12;68:6; 78:23;79:16,24; 97:14;101:3 structure (2) 14:9,11 submitted (1) 75:7 subscribed (1) 125:20 subtracted (2) 25:22;87:2 sued (1) 91:23 suggesting (1) 111:16 Support (2) 7:15,19 Supreme (1) 7:8 Sure (14) 12:4;15:12;19:23; 40:2;43:17;58:20; 66:17;72:24;73:6; 82:5;92:15;98:16; 113:18;119:6 swear (1) 7:24 sworn (3) 6:14;8:2;75:8 system (2) 85:5;123:6 T talk (1) 114:19 talked (2) 72:21;73:10 talking (6) 9:7;38:9;48:18,18; 69:12;120:7 tape (2) 74:21;75:2 telephone (1) 13:9

terms (2) 29:3;63:15 terrace (1) 92:2 Territory (1) 23:3 testified (11) 8:3;18:6;50:10; 53:20;64:2;66:4;67:3, 9,21;75:17;76:16 testify (6) 10:20;11:4,8;17:7, 11;67:25 testimony (15) 9:12;12:9;14:2; 16:6;18:8,15;24:17; 57:17;65:4;66:16; 67:8;75:18;84:9; 125:8,11 third (5) 59:9;81:22;110:19, 23,24 though (1) 95:2 thought (2) 24:18;42:15 three (5) 58:23;74:21;104:7, 10,11 times (1) 62:5 title (2) 15:12;23:3 today (47) 7:17,20;8:16;9:13; 10:21;11:5;12:9,19; 21:11;23:17;26:3; 27:3;28:3,12;29:20; 30:24;31:18;32:17, 23;33:5;38:14,16; 45:4;47:22;48:2,8; 52:20;53:19;56:2; 57:11,25;74:18; 75:13;77:25;78:15; 95:13;102:3;109:13; 111:21;114:20;116:8; 119:10;120:3,14; 121:9,23;124:3 today's (6) 7:12;39:14;97:5; 115:21;121:3;124:20 together (1) 20:11 told (5) 13:20,24;15:6;19:4; 85:22 took (2) 64:11,13 top (7) 29:8;35:24;59:13; 71:16;105:8;123:4,22

short (1)
111:4

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topic (1)

17:9 24:15;25:13;31:22;

32:5;51:21 W Y Zhang (11)

31:20;32:5,7,14,20;

topics (10) under (4) 51:16,18;52:21,23; 10:18,21,25;11:5,9, 22:4;29:9;110:11; waived (1) Yan (1) 95:7,10 15;12:12,19;13:17;

14:6 125:9 underneath (1) 6:7 75:6 0 total (1) 21:18 Wan (6) 7:7;21:18,20;45:7; year (3) 64:11;65:5;89:7

30:6 undersigned (2) 112:21;114:12 years (1) 001 (3) transaction (1) 22:3,13 WANG (8) 91:24 29:24;30:2,3 49:21 Understood (2) 3:13;11:19;13:11; yes-or-no (1) 07960 (1)

transcript (2) 125:8,10 12:4;73:2

United (2) 16:6;17:13;18:22; 93:21 3:6 transfer (5) 24:19;25:2 19:4;118:5 York (172) 1

71:5,11,13;73:11; units (1) Wang's (5)

16:25;17:4;18:12; 7:9,9;8:16,20;9:17; 10:4,10;11:8,17; 115:19 106:19 75:6,6 13:19;14:8,10,12,14, 1 (9) transferred (1) unless (1) way (6) 16,20;15:8,16;16:21, 9:15,25;10:2,9,15; 112:8 110:4 29:2;50:6;63:25; 21;17:2,8,14,16,18, 17:9;56:3;109:16;

transferring (2) 70:13;72:13 unofficial (3)

17:23;18:4,20 101:3;102:6;112:11 22,24;18:8,13,21,25; 110:17

1,000 (1)

transfers (1) unrelated (1) weeks (1) 19:6,10,13;24:11; 29:23

73:14 59:9 90:17 Wei (11) 26:6,10;43:7,19;44:6, 11,14,16;46:2,5,6,6, 10 (2)

trial (1) up (6) 31:20;32:5,7,14,20; 13;47:4,8,11,15,20, 112:14,18 6:11 24:15;30:11;32:12; 51:16,18;52:21,23; 24;48:4,20;49:7,9; 100 (2) true (18) 84:12;90:16;123:4 95:7,10 50:2,6;51:2,9,10; 51:5;115:10 21:7,12;29:18; USA (1) Weiss (3) 56:15;63:11;71:6; 11 (1) 55:17,25;57:7;59:24;

60:12,20;61:14;66:8; 59:7

US-based (2) 45:19;82:4,5 72:14;73:15;74:4; 7:13

12 (3)

69:15;73:19;74:9; 24:8,10 welcome (1) 76:10;77:13;80:12, 45:6;69:10;85:24

75:24;112:5;125:10, used (1) 20:5 weren't (1) 14;81:4,8,11;82:8,9, 16,24;83:8,11,14,18; 12th (1)

12 100:19 116:20 84:10,19;85:3,8,11, 21:2 trust (7) using (1) What's (2) 11,17;86:9,16,23; 13 (3) 73:17;102:9,17; 29:3 83:24;101:4 87:4,10,14,24;88:4, 23:20;86:7,9

103:2,6,10;108:2

trustee (10) V who's (2) 17,18;89:5,10,16,18, 14 (1)

66:2

107:21,25;109:15, 36:9;95:24 22;90:3,11,15,22; 145 (1) 17,22,24;110:19,22, value (2) Whose (6)

48:22;71:18; 91:23;92:5;93:4;94:6, 10,13,21;95:8,11,14, 86:3

22;111:7 29:24;30:6 100:14;103:15,19,22 18;96:3,10,15,18,21, 15 (2) truthful (1) various (4) Williams (2) 24;97:7,22;98:5,9; 58:20;75:8 9:12 20:2,16;42:15,21 45:19;82:4 99:3,9,15,18,25; 16 (9)

try (6)

13:6;60:7,19;62:20; vehicle (5) within (6) 100:7,8,14,20;101:2, 59:14;60:12,23;

73:7;79:23 105:20,25;106:18,

24;107:7 6:13;20:2;83:9; 6,16,20;102:5,10; 61:15,25;62:11;63:3;

75:7,9

trying (1) versus (1) 120:16;121:8;122:4

witness (6) 104:18;105:16;106:4, 9,15,17,23;107:16; 165 (2)

62:22 7:7 7:25;8:2;32:3; 108:8,8,14;113:12,15, 56:20,25 turn (2) via (1) 40:11;43:5;52:13 20;116:11;117:19,22; 17 (10) 74:3,4 51:17 Wong (5) 118:2,6;120:13; 57:6,18,22;59:23; two (10) vice (1) 112:15,19;113:2, 121:7,11;122:5,19; 61:18;62:13;63:8; 8:9;13:16;16:17;

20:17;26:23;37:19; 15:11

Videographer (8) 25;114:8 123:24;124:9 85:12;86:10;103:11

176 (1)

58:22;75:2;93:8; 3:14;7:3;9:22; Wong's (1) York's (18) 20:20

107:23 74:20,25;115:25; 113:25

word (1) 68:19;77:24;78:15;

81:11,19,19;89:19; 178 (1)

type (1) 116:4;124:19 19:7 90:7;91:4,18;94:7,14; 84:23 42:7 videotaped (1) words (2) 97:14,18;98:17,18; 18th (11) typewritten (1) 7:4 21:19;93:12 102:16;123:11 76:24;77:4,21;

21:20 typically (1) violation (1)

68:18 work (1) young (2) 78:18,25;82:18; 97:15,19;106:20,25;

35:2 Virgin (4) 55:15 84:8,21 107:8 22:5;23:4;34:25; writes (1) 114:8 YVETTE (7) 3:13;11:19;13:11; 194 (2)

U 98:19 written (10) 16:6;18:22;75:6; 20:8;44:23

virtue (2) 7:21;44:22;45:5,22; 118:5

UBS (2) 51:7;59:6 46:11;50:4;110:5,10; 2

40:8,12 visited (1) 111:8,16 Z ultimately (5) 79:21 2 (37)

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9:19;10:2,4,11,24; 120:6,19,20,23,24,25
26:21;50:20,24;51:5, 4:25 (1) 13,24;52:18,21;53:2, 74:23 5,12;55:11;56:3; 4:38 (1) 57:17,23;59:9,18,22; 75:3

61:5,16,25;62:11,13;

63:3,6;73:10;75:20; 5

102:22;105:7,23;

110:10;111:11 5 (3)
2:59 (1) 56:18,22;121:14 9:23 5:27 (1) 2004 (2) 116:2 23:5;29:10 5:36 (1) 2015 (32) 116:5 21:3;23:21;37:10, 5:46 (2)
12,14,24,25;38:5,15; 124:21,23 45:6;53:8;55:12;59:5; 50 (6) 61:5;79:14,15,17,21; 112:6,9;114:11,12, 80:2;85:12;86:7,9,10; 17;115:12 87:5;100:6;103:11; 543 (2) 111:22;112:3,15,19; 103:17;110:18 114:17;115:4 544 (1)
2017 (9) 103:25 57:6,18,22;59:23; 545 (1) 61:18;62:14;63:8; 104:5 64:18;65:2 55 (1) 2018 (17) 3:5

59:14;60:12,23;

61:15,22,25;62:11; 6

63:3;66:2;69:10;75:7;

88:10;89:5,8,12,23; 6 (5)

90:4 58:2,8;110:18;

2019 (1) 122:9,20 7:13 60,000 (1) 20-year-old (1) 101:14 71:25 652077/2017 (1)
21 (1) 7:10 55:12 24 (2) 7 74:15;75:12 7 (5)

3 23:5;65:15,18,22;

122:25 3 (17) 781 (1) 17:9;20:6,10,12,13; 97:11

44:20;56:3,11,13;

80:6;84:24;86:4; 8

106:14;109:15,17;

119:11,11 8 (4)
3.4 (1) 69:2,5;123:19,22 109:24 30 (1) 9 58:20 30b6 (4) 9 (6)

11:24;65:11;113:8; 16:4;58:16,19,20;

118:19 102:25;103:5 914-760-8963 (1) 4 3:8
4 (17)

55:3,7,20;56:3,9; 107:20;112:15,19; 114:16;115:3;119:24;

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